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I wouldn't like to actually block a community all together here, but yeah, I would like to see less posts of that community. Is there a way to do this, either in Jerboa or the web UI?

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[–] PriorProject@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lemmy doesn't have a concept of what a "post like this" is. It only categorizes posts based on simple statistics like "number of recent votes", which I believe drive the "hot" ranking or number of recent comments (active), or the date of the post.

Creating a concept of a "post like this" would generally require an AI/ML classification pipeline. This kind of thing is common at big social media companies, but it's pretty computationally expensive compared to regular browsing. It's also somewhat ideologically fraught as it's the same tech big social media companies use to create algorithmic echo chambers and drive unhealthy engagement. I realize your proposed use-case is pretty innocuous... but I suspect many folks will extrapolate to view the proposal through that lens.

I don't see folks champing at the bit to immediately add a feature that would add to the capacity woes the biggest instances are already feeling, but I'm equally sure you're not alone in desiring features that would need to be built on top of classification pipelines. Maybe someday Lemmy will have one, but it doesn't exist today.

Edit: Maybe a less general approach to this would be to offer a weighting for each community, and lemmy would skip some percentage of posts to that sub in your feed. This isn't how most commercial sites would do this, but it's simple and maybe close to what you want. It also doesn't exist today though.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Edit: Maybe a less general approach to this would be to offer a weighting for each community, and lemmy would skip some percentage of posts to that sub in your feed. This isn't how most commercial sites would do this, but it's simple and maybe close to what you want. It also doesn't exist today though.

That is a good idea, others have suggested this as well. Like maybe add weight to certain communities, but be only profile wise, so you can tweak your own profile, which won't intefre with other's feeds.

Also, a warn prompt when blocking communities would be nice as well. I've blocked a few communities by mistake, unblocked them afterwards, but had to log in the web UI to unblock them, there is no unblock community/user option in Jerboa.

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It seems like you're confusing general recommendation algorithms like Google News/discover that suggests content you might like based on your perceived interests with a forum/link aggregator that ranks content based on time, upvotes and on your literal subscriptions.

Reddit didn't have this feature because that's not how the system works.

How do you propose to do a "show less like this" referring to recommended content when Lemmy does not "recommend" anything at all.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe like a personal pereference in your profile which you can tweak. Not for every community, but for ones added, yes.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wouldn't need to be fancy. Could literally be "automatically hide every second post from this community".

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting approach

[–] thirdorbital@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not what you're asking, but it took me the longest time to figure out that you can set your default home page to your subscribed communities instead of whatever is more-or-less-randomly hosted on sh.itjust.works. (It's the "Type" setting in your user profile). Hopefully this helps anyone who stumbles on this.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that setting in the web UI? Cuz I can't find it in Jerboa.

[–] when@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cuz I can’t find it in Jerboa

It's in account settings

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but you tap on it (in Jerboa) and nothing happens, the drop down menu doesn't work. I tried it in the web UI and the default sort type setting set to Active does work, but the default listing type (Local, Subscribed and All) doesn't work. When I load my account (Jerboa or web UI, regardless) the default listing type is always set to Local, regardless of what I chose in the web UI (which, yes, does reflect in Jerboa, but has no effect).

[–] thirdorbital@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, in the web UI. Haven't tried any apps yet though that's on my to-do list.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Well, it's not like there are thousands of them, lol, there's Jerboa for Android and Mlem for iOS, that's it.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can just block communitys

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know, but that wasn't the point. It's not that I don't wanna see anything from certain communities, but this particular one was in every 2nd post on the feed 😒. It's a popular community, I know, posts get upvoted, commented, etc., thus they show higher on the feed. Still, it feels a bit spammy. I like cats just as much as the next person, but not in every 2nd post.

Ah, well, currently there is no option to change that in your subscribed feed.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might have to do this client side. Hide some data in local storage about what communities to downweight. Then look at the page, find all the posts, pull out the community name and check if it ought to be downweighted. Then do something like hash the title, turn that into a float on 0 to 1, compare with the fraction of posts from the community that you want to see, and if it fails hide the post in CSS.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's a lot of custom work that has to be redone if the UI changes. It's better if it's implemented in backend, in Lemmy source.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have control of your instance's backend, that's definitely the better approach.

Over on AT Protocol they have a system of pluggable algorithms. You can publish info on an "algorithm" to your account's profile, and people can add your algorithm as a feed on their homepage, and then when they request their homepage their home server contacts your server and tells it a bit about them, and you send back a feed of posts.

So people can customize the post selection and share those customizations without the instance/home server admin needing to be in on it.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Hm, like a hook... should work.

Will look into this a bit more. Thanks for the tips 👍.

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The closest I can think of (and I don't know if that's implemented) is a personal filter, which doesn't show posts containing some word or words. Or you could block specific users who post content you don't like. RiF could do that, maybe jerboa as well, otherwise you could post your issue on the GitHub page.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Hm... might just open a GH issue. Cuz there are only 2 options right now, completely block and completely allow, both of them are not exactly what I'd like.

[–] pcgaldo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since there only are tools for filter or arrange contents, nor complex algorithms suggesting contents, this kind of functions are not implemented.

Perhaps someday some finer filtering by community or some way to limit the number of posts from each community will be implemented.

But I don't think it's a priority for developers at this time.

[–] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, guessed as much. There are other more important things that need addressing.

I'll open a GH issue nonetheless. Maybe they'll just put it on a to do list for future releases.

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