Because we dont want to moderate porn, simple as that. Other instances are free to do this differently.
this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2023
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I'm fine with no porn. It gets so tiring seeing porn and pseudo-porn everywhere.
Porn should stay in dedicated instances so it can be blocked. NSFW tagging is unreliable at best.
Agreed. Power to anyone who wants surprise porn intermixed with their memes and tech news, but Iβd like the choice to keep that separate without blocking all NSFW content.
I don't need that while I'm on the train
Hard to moderate. Brings influencers and bots. Doesnβt contribute anything that canβt be easily found elsewhere.
influencers
Anything that can cut down on the ability to monetize a platform is worth it.
i hadnt really thought of it until now, and was kind of expecting lemmy/kbin to get infected with porn, but you state some great reasons. i want to be open that i have used porn subs in the past, and i think that porn should 100% be legal. every adult should have the right to express themselves as long as they are not infringing on someone else's rights or safety.
before onlyfans, /r/gonewild was actually pretty appealing. once the amateur porn scene took off, reddit porn subs became advertisements ("check the comments for my onlyfans ππ") and spam bots reposting other people's porn. i really would prefer to avoid that. if someone wants porn, they can go back to reddit or whatever porn dedicated site there is.
btw, i knew a girl who ran one of her own onlyfans-type things. i know it's annecdotal so my one experience isn't representative, but she ruined it for me. that girl was complete trash. she still lived with her parents at 24 years old with no ambition other than to live off of others. she proudly stated this. she didn't work. she had multiple sugar daddies that would financially support her while she would insult them and her customers behind their backs openly to anyone that would listen to her garbage. she had multiple separate ig accounts, each dedicated to a sugar daddy. she would then friend her real friends to show off the "losers" that would support her. the rest of her sisters, while not as bad, were near the same level of toxicity: highly predatory, psychopathically manipulative, and vindictive af. they shared the same social circle that was all the same crap. i fully expect to see at least one of them in the news or jail blotter eventually. i ended up blocking them all on all avenues of communication and recorded me on video telling them that they arent allowed on my property. i also created a highly detailed journal of our interactions, recorded conversations, and kept evidence in case they ever felt like attacking me for setting boundaries.
anyway, in my experience, the persona we see them display on the internet is fake. they're not some horny person just dying for some internet stranger to hook up with. theyre not a victim of the circumstances theyre trying to escape. they don't get turned on by being "slutty" just for you. they get turned on by the power to manipulate others at other's expense. that their real kink: abuse. it becomes disgusting.
again, i know not all online sex workers are this way, and there are certainly the fantastical pornstars and couple's that aren't terrible people but some definitely are horrible and we dont actually know which one is which because the public gets a false presentation of who they really are.
thanks for attending my ted talk. ill have a spicy chicken sandwich pls.
I'm surprised anyone would think their are being themselves... I thought everyone knew they are acting. But maybe not everyone knows this actually.
Maybe men are a bit stupid in this regard... Some of us get a bit brain freezed by a good looking woman.
Did you say good looking woman? Where?
I'm going to lmao if Reddit becomes a porm only site due to lack of any other content.
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@Marv IMO we need some NSFW instances. It wouldnβt be a problem with the rest of lemmy/kbin because itβs easy to filter out communities/magazine or entire instances.
There is a legitimate demand for NSFW content. And NSFW content can be a decisive factor in the success of a platform. (See Tumblr vs Twitter, photographs on instagram, etc.) Sex workers are also a vulnerable group and one of the goals of the fediverse is to provide a place for marginalized groups.
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BUT, it needs moderation and moderating NSFW is hard, exhausting and time-consuming. Not everyone wants to do that. Also when I say NSFW content, it doesnβt have to be porn bot posting content they donβt own. It could be OC only, a photograph community that allows nude models, etc. Unlike porn dumps communities, those are important places to have.
Edit: Also research the history of switter, itβs very interesting. And one of the big failures of the fediverse. We should learn from it.
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I don't use reddit for p0rn, but the fact is that a lot of reddit users won't consider lemmy an option unless there's porn.
Actually, I think it's important to have one also because it's better to compartmentalize that shit on its own dedicated instance, anyway.
PSA: WE NEED A PORN INSTANCE. Any takers?
Do you really want more reddit porn users?
The porn would be on it's own instance not federated with the common Lemmy servers. So it wouldn't show up in /all.
Those who want porn would have to actively seek it out by connecting to those instances. More over, if one instance starts allowing unacceptable material, the other instances can blacklist it.
edit: I was wrong. Lemmynsfw is indeed federated.
Or the dev should make a feature so porn subs don't show up in /all by default, and that you'll have to opt-in.
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Seems completely unnecessary since there are many porn sites online already. Also it would take quite a lot of server resources since it's all images and video.
And do we want reddit users who want porn here?
The point of Reddit, and now Lemmy by extension, is a sort of link aggregator + comments. As with all content: sure, general sites all exist for that porn, but sometimes if you want more specific categories it's a lot easier to have community collected content that is sorted.
If someone wishes to spin up an instance for it, so be it. You are welcome to ignore it and not federate with it. That's the point of the fediverse.
The question isn't "do we want Reddit users who want porn here?", but rather "do we want Reddit users who see no value in a space unless it's full of porn?".
There should absolute be spaces for sex workers, both online and in meatspace, but maybe the produce aisle still has value even if it's not surrounded by strippers. And maybe. People want to buy produce sometimes without seeing said strippers.
Now, whether there should be instances that are all sex workers or not is a different, and complicated, question. Sex work is often criminalized, and even the legal forms of it are highly scrutinized. Putting them all in a confined space makes it really easy for authorities who are looking to send a message to unilaterally shut down their infrastructure. We've seen it on the Fediverse before. They need some kind of smoke screen in order to be protected from the Delores Umbridges of the world. But that doesn't mean people who are unable or unwilling to handle the added stress and responsibility needtl to be the ones doing the screening.
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Why write it as p0rn, if there's no censorship in here?
So far Reddit seems to have avoided getting into a lot of trouble by not really hosting images itself much (this is changing, as is imgur's policies) and by being mostly NOT for it so it doesn't get noticed. Making an instance for the purpose invites a ton of scrutiny and liability that few people want to deal with. That said nothing's stopping anyone from spinning up their own instance.
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When you say "this site", do you mean lemmy in general, or lemmy.ml(your home instance)? Because lemmy in general DOES allow nsfw content, its just that no one (to my current knowledge) had been willing to start+moderate a NSFW instance yet. If you think you are up to it, you are more than welcome to spin up your own instance. Just remember you still have to follow all the laws regarding server hosting where you live(or where the server is hosted maybe? Idk I'm not a lawyer).
Thanks for the response. Still learning how lemmy works. I just followed a link I was sent thinking it was lemmy in general and not just this instance.
all good dude, it's easy to get that confused. lemmy.ml is actually just one of a number of websites that make up lemmy and the fediverse at large. while you interact as a user almost exclusively through your home instance, much of the content you can access is actually hosted on a different website, even though you still access it through your home instance, think if it like email in that sense. even if you don't have a gmail.com email address you can stil send and receive emails to people who do. that's why my full handle is @this@sh.itjust.works, yours is @Marv@lemmy.ml, and we are communicating with each other on a public form via the individual websites our accounts are hosted on. If you have ever used or plan to use mastodon, that works the same way and actually uses the same protocol (activitypub), there are also other currently less popular social media alternatives that use this protocol as well as speculation that it may be added into some mainstream social media platforms(though I wouldn't hold my breath on them federating with lemmy/mastodon). If you ever join a smaller instance (which I and the devs recommend to help the network scale better), you can use this link to find communities on other instances(they won't show up on your home instance if no one is subscribed to them or they are blocked by your instance): https://browse.feddit.de/
When we say "this site", we're obviously talking about your profile page. Why does your profile page not allow porn?
I'm just going to take your response literally, because I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. when you join a lemmy instance, in OPs case, lemmy.ml, or in your case, lemmy.world. your profile is hosted on said instance, and therefore anything you put on your profile is subject to the rules of whoever owns/moderates that instance. if you don't like it, move to another instance, or start your own, that's the benefit of a federated system!
My comment was a pun on your username in relation to the lack of clarity in OP's question. You being this@sh.itjust.works... quite plausibly "this page" would refer to your personal profile page. It would of course be ridiculous for anyone to expect to post porn on your profile page, but I committed to the silliness. Sorry it didn't come through.
LMAO, that's a thinker! True I am viewing this thread on sh.itjust.works so from my perspective that would be the website, lol.
Kickass name/instance combo btw.
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Go set up your own instance and never raise this subject here again
Not sure why your getting downvoted. Thatβs the beauty of the fediverse lol
I think its the "never raise this subject here again" Comes off as a bit aggressive.
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Because that would end up making a good portion of potential users feel uncomfortable using the site. There is no lack of pornography on the Internet, go look at it elsewhere.
Liability, Noone want to be liable if someone posts CP or other illegal stuff.
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it's blocked in your instance, others allow it
A great question, porn/sexuality is a great deal for many users (me, included) and Reddit tried to make them go away or at least hide them; I have no idea why is it not allowed in so many Lemmy instances (if not all of them) but I hope that changes in the not so far future, otherwise we're going to be missing one of the biggest reasons people use Reddit and might not move to a Lemmy instance.
It's not allowed in a lot of instances because the moderation is absolutely exhausting and sometimes NSFL material.
The only limiting factor here is admins + moderators of an instance willing to put themselves through that.
I have no idea what kind of person wants to do that sort of thing, but they do exist.
Perhaps we should send PMs to all the porn subreddit mods and ask them if they'd be interested in moderating a porn reddit on lemmy?
I'd be curious to know which porn subreddits are scheduled to go dark on the 12th. Are there any reddit porn connoisseurs here that can do that research and let us know which subreddits mods might be upset at reddit and interested in migrating here?
So we need two lists:
- List of porn subreddits with upset mods
- List of lemmy instances that would be down to host some porn communities
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Because we don't want to watch this crap.
p0rn is not lacking of any "internet" space. Why would you want to put it everywhere.
Hahaha, thank you for speaking the damn truth. I dont understand why it really needs a place on every website. URLs exist for a reason friends
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The constant thirst is one of the handful of cardinal sins of reddit, porn subreddits encourage it.
because this is lemmy.ml , if you want porn go to one of the nsfw friendly instances like lemmy.burger.rodeo (but I think you need to be logged in for nsfw communities to show up)
Cooking up a platform for Free Thought And Expression! (NSFW &Loli/Shota/Cub friendly!) Minimal Restrictions on Content/Speech.
Hard pass on that dawg.
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