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The website has been knocking it out of the park for popular decisions lately /s

We all know this is happening with Reddit gold, however I thought it would be relevant to point out that there has been fallout amongst Reddit Premium subscribers.

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[–] esty@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what I take from this, though, is that even with the anger against Reddit, there’s no talk of leaving in the comments on that post!

you hate the site and all of their changes so much and it’s only been getting worse… why do you stay? even the content is already worse, and even worse on the subs that have the new Reddit tipping system… why stay?

#reddit #lemmy #fediverse #kbin

[–] Izzgo@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the new Reddit tipping system

I haven't heard about this tipping system. ELI5?

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

https://www.reddit.com/community-points/

Edit: holy fuck no one told me it was a blockchain cryptoshit??? That's even funnier 💀

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Put anything to a vote
Run weighted polls to make big decisions in your community, like getting input on rules changes or deciding how to distribute Points.

Unlike regular polls, these polls give a larger voice to people who have contributed more to the community. The more Community Points someone has earned, the more weight their vote carries.

This will end well...

EDIT

What they're really looking for are a bunch of whales to drive engagement.

[–] ode@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Call me a cynic but I suspect the biggest 'contributor' to r/product will end up being product's marketing department account, likewise with r/country and party-political apparatchiks. The move is elegant in a way: Reddit Inc can ruin true democratic operation of subs by turning subscribers into shareholders (which wards off repeats of mod activism) and simultaneously provide further cover to astroturfers (lots of points = Time and Effort™ = good faith actor).

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, absolutely this is the case. Reddit could even run bot accounts to gain a lion's share of points for any particular sub they want to control, thereby stifling any sort of protest or activism authorized by sub vote.

[–] GizmoLion@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see you edited your post. That'll be 2 CrYpToBuCkS!

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will give you 2 shiba inu coins (worth $0.00001574).

[–] GizmoLion@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Aw shit, look out Elon, here I come!

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ironically you'd need something like a cryptocurrency if you wanted to implement something like that for the Fediverse.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

good thing we don't want it

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally speaking the solution to these sorts of things when one doesn't want it is "then don't use it." That's especially true in a federated, decentralized system like this.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

yeah but this is the specific kind of engagement bait and whatnot that can stay on the corpo social nets

[–] Bozicus@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why? I mean, technologically, why couldn't a more standard payment platform work, and then just pass around those payments among instances? PayPal is not crypto, but you can use it almost anywhere online.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

PayPal is not decentralized. None of the "more standard" payment platforms are. If you want to have some kind of cross-instance limitation on things like awards and not have instances be able to just spew them out willy-nilly if they want to then you're going to need some kind of decentralized ledger to track them authoritatively, and that's basically cryptocurrency in a nutshell. This is what cryptocurrency is for.

[–] hakonlo 4 points 1 year ago

Hahahah jesus christ

[–] soundasleep@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's been enabled on the crypto reddits for a while... as a result the subs overwhelmingly changed to "vaguely interesting and/or attention-grabbing but ultimately useless with a race to see who's first" posts, signal-to-noise ratio got way worse.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Who could've called it? Never saw that coming

[–] fazalmajid@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

It’s beyond parody at this stage.

[–] nevernevermore@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

the snoos having hair is the real crime against humanity here. who the fuck asked for snoo to be memoji's? what is going on over there?!

[–] Madison_rogue@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The article comments are linked to Reddit, if you click on "Replies" it routes you to the topic on Reddit where there are posts about leaving the platform.

[–] megane_kun@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I've got enough reason to believe that any mentions of Lemmy, are met with shadow banning.

And like the master of gaslighting that it is, it doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to deliver a chilling effect.

They want the dissenters to leave without a word.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, Reddit is not joking around when it comes speedrunning enshittification. I think it’s going to be very tough for other platforms to match these moves.

[–] Bozicus@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

The real business model here is to win the race to the bottom, and stream re-enactments on Twitch.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Glad I left when the protest started.

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My subscription was going to renew on July 3rd, but I let it expire. That seems like a wiser decision every day.

[–] nevernevermore@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just out of curiosity, what is it that you were subscribing for? I used r*ddit for 13 years and never saw the need to pay for premium or gold or whatever. What features did it offer?

[–] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 4 points 1 year ago

I felt like the subscription was reasonable for the amount of time I spent on Reddit.

[–] Shhalahr 1 points 1 year ago

I subscribed before the new redesign. One of the things I liked was on the website it highlighted new comments in a thread for you. That feature didn't make it into the redesign. And the available Dark Themes became broken over time on old.reddit.

The free coins would have been nice if I hadn't started spending more time on RIF instead of the website or if third party apps had access to the award API.

In the end, I kept my subscription going mostly on momentum and maybe the hope that something useful would show up eventually. Plus I had a grandfather clause price point on my subscription from before they changed the subscription from "Reddit Gold" to "Reddit Premium". So there was that overly-emotional fear of losing out on that deal should I eventually re-subscribe.

Should have ended the subscription far longer before I did. But in the end, I ended it to time with the recent Blackouts.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

It's the equivalent of a crack dealer at this point.

At first they got people hooked with cheap drugs that worked and got you an easy high.

But now you need more and the dealer knows you're desperate ... so they increase the price, give you a cheaper product and string you along because they know no matter what they do, you'll keep coming back for more.

They'll start whoring you around and selling your body like trash and you won't like it but if it means getting your next fix, you'll do anything.

[–] ouigol 2 points 1 year ago

Not that I even use Reddit anymore, but when I did I used Apollo and I had awards disabled. Honestly they don’t bring anything to the discussion and certainly not since they introduced a hundred new awards that were free.

[–] luckystarr@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Don't they like money? I like money!

[–] garrettw87@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And yet somehow they say that’s their reasoning - that they’re trying to become profitable.

[–] Shhalahr 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So someone did some math and figured out that the award system was unprofitable somehow?

Don't know how that works out.

Or maybe they are willing to take the hit because they are embarrassed when posts and comments criticizing Reddit get a ton of awards? (Plenty of people already have a large cache of Reddit coins, so handing out an award is not necessarily paying anything to Reddit at the time of award.)

[–] garrettw87@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's a good point, lol.
No, according to The Verge's article, they say that users don't like the current system:

“First, many don’t appreciate the clutter from awards (50+ awards right now, but who’s counting?) and all the steps that go into actually awarding content. Second, redditors want awarded content to be more valuable to the recipient.”

And there are hints as to what may be slated to replace it:

While Reddit hasn’t specified what the new system might look like, Android Authority may have dug up some clues. Based on code in the Reddit’s Android app, Reddit appears to be working on a “contributor program” that would let users cash out gold or karma (basically, points you get for posts, comments, or giving awards) they receive into real money. Reddit didn’t respond to a request for comment sent Wednesday about Android Authority’s article.

OTOH, this post in r/ModCoord posits a different explanation:

By getting rid of awards, Reddit is unloading a business liability. Because all those existing coins could buy ad-free Reddit.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I can see why they’d want to streamline the award system, since it is a bit messy, but they’re getting rid of something that made Reddit unique and that people seemed to like, for…what, exactly?

[–] Shhalahr 1 points 1 year ago

Huh. Actually removing something that was monetizing the site? Didn’t see that coming.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Wow... Did someone tell Reddit that April Fools was in July or something? It's this close to being a bad joke.

[–] Big_Boss_77@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit still has users? I thought I was all chatbots?

[–] xc2215x@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Not a surprise Redditors hate losing coins.