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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

It's a mugshot and a half.

[–] Jaccident@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It looks like his bus pass from Uni.

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Little point in voting in elections if all parties have the same policies. Labour exists to give the impression we have choice. We don’t.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's kind of what the Tory press want - if they can't get you enthusiastic to vote Conservative, then they want to suppress the vote by driving home that they are all as bad as each other.

After a dozen years of this shitshow it is clear that this isn't the case and any one of the line of Labour leaders would have saved the country a lot of pain if voted it, no matter what your feelings on Corbyn or the fact that Ed Miliband once ate a sandwich a bit weirdly.

Starmer is a personality vacuum and deeply uninspiring but, even if he performs exactly to most people's low expectations, he'll be orders of magnitude better than whatever robber baron stands against him.

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

When I'm in the voting booth do I pretend that Starmer has broken every promise he made to his own party? That he's not going to provide universal free school meals? That he's going to continue the child benefit cap? He's ditched the party's green plans? And whatever right-wing nonsense he spouts before the GE?

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

Personally, I'll be voting to get the Tories out. I'd vote for a rabid badger whose one policy was that he was going to come round and eat my face (which is refreshingly honest).

My ideal solution would be that Labour get in but without a large enough majority that they can wave bills through parliament and have to do deals that mean proper electoral reform. I'm not quite sure how to engineer such an outcome, so (this side of him surprising us with a raft of secret radical policies he's been hiding so as not to give the media a stick to beat him with) I am hoping he underperforms to such an extent that someone like Andy Burnham has to intervene and challenge him.

However, as long as my main aim (Tories Out) is accomplished then things will be better than they are now. That's a really low bar but it's a base to build from.

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[–] stevecrox@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That isn't what he said..

He states what he would like to do but sidesteps the question when asked directly what payrise offer he would make. His message is focused on growing the economy.

I think its expectation management, I think he sees his first few years as firefighting and he won't make promises he can't keep.

Labours message on the NHS was focused on rolling back privatisation, then it suddenly stopped and became about bed blocking and staff shortages.

I don't think Starmer suddenly decided privatisation was good, its more bed blocking is eating NHS resources and there is a 30,000 staff shortage.

Those are critical issues which if left will cause the NHS to collapse, so if you know you won't have time to address something like privatisation it makes sense not to promise to remove it.

[–] TerryCustard@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah they’re 18% ahead in the polls. It would be foolish to make any promises at this point - he doesn’t need to and only risks giving the cons attack headlines and losing votes. Until they have to produce a manifesto and while the tories continue to self destruct, these are the sorts of statements / interviews you’re going to get.

[–] Tweak@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a choice, albeit a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. Neither are appealing, but at least a douche is cleansing, while a turd sandwich just fills you full of shit.

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't see that Starmer is even a douche. It's all shit!

[–] fleacircus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't be so pessimistic -- you can have a red neoliberal or a blue neoliberal. What more could you want?

[–] tenebrisnox@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Could I have a mix of both? With nuts on top and a flake?

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Inflation at 3-10% over the last few years
Population 10% higher every 10 years
"Nah, we can keep costs at the same level as the 90s, no problem"

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

The problem is with the current government and not the next to come. They have broken the country. There is only so much you can do after an episode with such a corrupt group in power.