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Not because DDG got better, but just because google got worse.

google is still better for site-specific searches, and google scholar still has minimal AI slop

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[–] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. If you focus purely on just searching, yeah DDG is decent. But, I find its maps inferior and trying to find answers to some questions can get tedious. DDG I guess is just for people who want guilt-free searching.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

ddg maps is just a no-frills apple maps.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

...........Oh, sorry.

Hell no. If anything, it's gotten worse.

In their defense, however, it's probably largely not their fault. In my admittedly one-person-sample-size experience, 90% of the searchable Web is either Reddit threads or articles, and with Reddit going officially with Google (meaning DDG doesn't catch as many Reddit threads as they used to), that leaves most of the searchable Web being articles. Because SEO has to ruin everything.

So, it's not really that DDG is shitty (mostly), but that all searches are shitty. Though, with the whole Google-and-Reddit thing, I find Google's results are noticeably less shitty (though still shitty).

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Duckduckgo mostly uses Bing for its search results. It also uses yahoo, yandex, and it's own crawler, but for the most part you're getting Bing.

So what you really want to know is if Bing is just as good as Google. If you think it is, you should definitely use ddg because they're the least intrusive.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's much better than Bing.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

DuckDuckGo AKA Bing is complete dog doo. When you are looking for news it only tries to shove in the Microsoft MSN news page. The algorithm manipulation in favor of Western MSM bias is even heavier than Google. When you search certain terms it refuses to show articles containing those exact terms.

Yeah saying "DDG is as good as Google" means saying that DDG is worthless garbage lol

[–] synicalx@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

+1, it’s hot garbage and I don’t know why anyone would use it. You’re better off trying to randomly guess the URL of the content your looking for because that’s probably more likely to find it.

[–] Sickduck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

DDG does the job. Hopefully, I won't have to switch engines soon.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

ive been using it consistently for the past few years. it works well for me, but sometimes ill go to other engines just to see what they come up with, or when results are lacking. sometimes they are better, sometimes they are worse.

meaning ddg is probably good enough nowadays, at least for me.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You probably already know this, but you can use search "bangs" to search other websites from ddg.

For example, to search google, you would put !g or !google at the start of your search.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i do! it transformed my address bar, i sometimes use other engines through ddg now. its the main reason its my search provider.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You seriously can't type whatever dae means?

[–] MrMeatballGuy@feddit.dk 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never saw that abbreviation before, but my assumption is it's "does anyone else" since I can't think of anything else that'd make sense in this context

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[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can. Be nice and I might.

[–] AvailableFill74@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you wish to be understood, choose your words more carefully. If you wish to be treated with kindness, drop the defensiveness, learn to process feedback objectively, and take communication seriously. No one is being unkind or unreasonable here, except you.

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[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

isn't it just a bing wrapper?

[–] klangcola@reddthat.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No and kinda yes. Duckduckgo has its own webcrawler, but also adds in results from other sources including Bing, Yahoo and others.

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[–] techpir8@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't you mean DuckDuckBing ?

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[–] match@pawb.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

i switched from DDG to ecosia because of Lemmy and i gotta say it's even better

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Private browsing We protect your data and privacy so you can surf safely

This true?

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[–] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

I just realized the other day that I haven't typed !g in months.

[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using DDG since 2016 and never felt it was worse in terms of "search quality" than Google.

Especially nowadays I hear friends whine near weekly about Google, but it's still somehow "better than DDG".

Honestly people just make excuses not to change what they're use to. Even if what they're used to has changed around them for the worse.

My only real complain I have is I wish 'search by date range' was less finicky use and also worked in the image tab like it does in Google images.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

It’s just as good as 2008 google, which is all I want.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've had to use !g way too much lately, so no.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Definitely not; DDG has always been bad. However, as others have pointed out, Google is getting worse and every day. That said, it's still better than DDG, which isn't saying much.

There are no good search engines anymore. I got tired of having to add site:reddit.com to all or my searches to get actual answers, so now I've resorted to using AI and pretending that it isn't just making up half the shit it spews. Perplexity is a half decent replacement for a search engine; it's more accurate than most and it cites its sources:

https://lemmy.world/post/26764870

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 3 weeks ago

Have you tried Kagi? They have their problems, but I think it's better than Google.

[–] boreal@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Better usually in my experience. Google is mostly SEO-sludge anyway. Though sometimes when you need something very specific Google is better but that gap has been pretty much closed during 7+ years I’ve used DDG.

[–] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Just dont use ChatGPT but one of the other models. I find LLama to work fine.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

So far its still less bloated

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Google kind of went downhill

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really agree Google just took themself out of the market. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped their "search" product completely, the way they've dropped a lot of other good products along the way.

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 3 points 3 weeks ago

I've never forgiven them for getting rid of their search within results, that was brilliant

As a general purpose search engine yeah it's just as good. Google has some nice extra features which aren't too important (for example if you search UFC it shows full fight card info and results on the search page).

Where it falls behind is for more "power user " type work. I only use Google at work as it makes finding very specific results with keywords and date ranges on certain sites etc much easier.

Nowadays I use Qwant though to boycott us. It's much slower but still does the job for day to day use.

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, I switched back in 2023 and noticed it was already better than google.

All major search engines feel like they're either filled with AI slop results, or just only returning major corporations' sites anymore, though. DDG just falls into the latter, while Google is mostly the former.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Good enough for me, although there are times I need to use google.

[–] DioEgizio@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

yeah honestly I've been using ddg for a very long time and while a few years ago I had to frequently !g because search sucked now google got so enshittified many times ddg feels better

[–] Wrongdoer1@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

I use QWANT but I have the same feeling tbh. Or maybe Google search has been worsening I'm not too sure..

[–] tfm@europe.pub 3 points 3 weeks ago

I like DDG a lot more, especially because of the bang shortcuts. But I transitioned recently to Qwant. It also has bang shortcuts and is hosted in Europe.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

No. DDG still puts less priority in small blogs over Reddit posts. All bigger search engines put way too much stock & rank in corpo social media.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

no. i switch to using it as my primary search engine every once in a while, just to see how it's doing. i always run into situations where i can't find the thing im looking for. maybe im just the obscure searches man

[–] limoncia@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I found Qwant to be a bit better, but yeah. Google got so much worse over last few years

[–] ScoreDivision@programming.dev 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I also use Qwant but it's noticeably slower for me. Do you find the same?

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[–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

I use Startpage and it feels like I always get the results I want even when I don't use perfect prompts. Just recently I got a three month free trial for Kagi and the results were better than google in my opinion, or at least less cluttered with "possibly related things" that are just ads in the end.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Google just got worse.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'd say the same. Google dorks work much better than DDG's filters for site-specific stuff, and generally for things like "search term" but for general searches DDG seems pretty similar.

The only things I've also had worse performance from DDG on compared to Google (in very minimal ways) has been:

  • Highly specific searches (e.g. searching for a diagram of the dimensions of common connector types, DDG shows side-by-sides of connectors, Google does that but also with more diagrams that have dimensions in them)
  • Context but not keyword based searches (e.g. "thing that has x y and z characteristics" returns more relevant results in Google than DDG, very marginally)

And of course, there's always the !s bang to run a search through Startpage (which uses Google) if I'm not getting enough detail.

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