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There were many lingua francas of which French was supposedly the first global lingua franca. That changed and it became English (from what I understand). We will probably see another language become the lingua franca, so my question is: should it be English? Are there better candidates out there? Why / why not?

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[–] quatschkopf43@feddit.org 104 points 3 weeks ago

I think we are at a point now where almost everybody in Europe is able to speak at least some English. So cultural exchange has never been easier. Why make it more difficult again by adding another language people have to learn first?

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 41 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s not possible to please everybody so I vote for Basque and pleasing nobody.

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Came here to say that. I intended to propose an immensely complex language that almost nobody understands and that is unrelated to any other family of languages. My choice was Hungarian or Finnish but Euskadi (aka "Basque") clearly beats it. I had the privilege to learn some words from Basque coworker years ago when I was living in Spain for a while and I swear it is so utterly alien to anything I've heard, that it must be of extraterrestrial origin.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Basque might be the most neutral language of them all, right? Does it have a connection with any other European language?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nope. Basque is considered a language isolate, not related to any other language.

Wikipedia – Basque language

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Furthermore it's the only European language there is. Every other language spoken in Europe descends from the Eurasian steppe. Well, most likely with a pinch of Kaukasian. It's several millennia overdue that we honour the Euskari!

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[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

A lingua franca isn’t decided upon, it just happens to become one because of some power its speakers hold. In the Indonesian archipelago, Malay became a lingua franca because it was used by traders. In Europe, French was a lingua franca because French held a large amount of prestige among the European nobility. Now, English is the global lingua franca because English-speaking media have dominated the global media landscape.

If you want there to be another lingua franca in Europe, that language will somehow need to attain a good reason for it to become one. You can’t just pass a law proclaiming it now being ‘the lingua franca of Europe’.

Forcing people to speak eg. German by law might work, though you’ll probably have to be prepared to coerce people into actually doing so, and thus will have to ask yourself whether that’s worth it. Otherwise, there’s a good chance people will not really give a shit about your stupid law.

You could also maybe abolish all EU level accommodation for other languages than the official language in a new federalised Europe. Then, if you want anything done at that level, you have no choice but to use the official, non-English, language. This seems like it might spur an elitist environment where only a small layer of Europeans (outside of the country from which the speakers of the official language originate) will generally be able to speak that language.

This all seems a bit fantastical, though. Unless Europeans en masse stop consuming English language media, and at the same time start consuming the media of one specific other language (thus it’s a movement away from English and toward some other language by language users themselves), there won’t be a new lingua franca in Europe.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This seems like it might spur an elitist environment where only a small layer of Europeans (outside of the country from which the speakers of the official language originate) will generally be able to speak that language.

Not your main point, but I watched an interview with some senior translator person at the EC, and they said that the EC very intentionally refrained from codifying a "Brussels English" over exactly this concern: that it would lead to official government documents being written in a form that the typical person in the EU would consider distant, have a "Brussels elites that spoke differently from me" impact. The concern was that this would have negative political effects.

Can't recall the name of the guy, but IIRC he had a British accent. Was an older guy.

Did drive home to me that there is a lot of political consideration taking place over policy decisions that I probably wouldn't normally have expected.

[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago

That’s really interesting. Language is one of the main ways we distinguish ourselves (often subconciously). Designing a special Brussels English would likely make the ‘Brussels Elite’ more of a distinguishable ‘they’ indeed.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

English has a blend of Germanic and Romantic features, which is nice for Europe, and no inflections to memorise, which is nice in addition. You could also argue that no grammatical gender is a positive feature.

On the downside, the orthography is ass, so maybe there should be a new EU-standard fonetik version. The contractions are confusing. A non-native speaker can maybe add some more, but that's all I've heard about.

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

No, most people are pragmatic in this case and eastern countries changed from Russian ~30 years ago so another change isn't coming any time soon.

As my parents saw the change from "it is really appreciated that you can speak English" to "it is expected that you can use it". I can tell that it is so engrained in our multinational exchange that it won't be even desirable.

[–] Vernal@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

English is mostly used in commercial now, changing it would be costly and you would need the commitment of many others people to accept a new change in how to approach the world or just Europe, it's a tipe of commitment I doubt people would be willingly to accept.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

We will probably see another language become the lingua franca

That's gonna take a while. Chinese is an unlikely candidate due to how difficult it is to learn to speak and especially read and write, despite the rising international influence of the Chinese state. And I rather doubt that Europe's Germanic-speaking countries will stop using English as a lingua franca anytime soon, it's just too easy to learn for them compared to any other possible candidate.

Let's hope it's not going to be Russian anytime soon.

Something like Esperanto would be a nice alternative for the EU, though. Maybe there's other artificial languages that are even better? I'm not well-versed in this topic.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's gonna take a while

French was replaced within 60-80 years. Such change isn't fast, unless forced. However, I don't know how it could be forced. We aren't in a feudalistic system anymore and EU interests are heavily influenced by an English-speaking upper class.

And I rather doubt that Europe's Germanic-speaking countries will stop using English as a lingua franca anytime soon, it's just too easy to learn for them compared to any other possible candidate.

Try this.

Let's hope it's not going to be Russian anytime soon.

One can only hope, not only because of the implications, but also because the language is very complicated IMO. Their case system is horrific.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Their case system is horrific.

More so than German?

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Depends. They have six cases, which is standard for a lot of indogermanic languages, and their declension is mostly consistent. I never learned German as L2, but I imagine the fact that in German cases are not clearly marked on the noun but by the combination of article and noun and that we use two different but very similar marking systems depending on context as utter nightmarish for L2 learners.

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[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Year of Esperanto is finally upon us! Bonan Matenon, Europe!

[–] remon@ani.social 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes. It's easy and already established. There is no reason to change it.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

let's all switch to Sumerian.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Question is, what should be the criteria for deciding which other language?

If it is for the sake of current global usability, English remains top.

If it is for geostrategic considerations, Spanish, French and Arabic would be the languages to cover South and Central America, large parts of Africa and West Asia.

If it is for population dominance inside the EU, it would be German, which probably will ruffle some feathers. If it is for population dominance in Europe, it should be Russian, which will ruffle a lot of feathers.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

They should just stick with speaking American.

/Dodges shoes and runs away

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

English if we want ease of communication (and is the most likely path forward)

Esperanto if the goal is to teach it to a whole generation: it is designed to be easy to understand when you already know one European language (especially a latin one I think?)

Chinese if the goal is to speak the language of the dominant non European power in the next century

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Latinam magnam iterum faciamus. 😎 🥂 🧐

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not even my hate for the US or Britain is enough for me to learn Latin. I had this shit for 5 years and I didnt learn anything. Fuck this bullshit.

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[–] MordercaSkurwysyn@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm too lazy to learn another language. Pick from English and Polish, alright?

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It made us Brits lazy. There's little reason for people to learn other languages due to English being so popular as a second language.

Don't get me wrong, there are people. But I don't know many people that can speak other languages. I am actually envious of others that do.

It simply amazes me when someone can speak multiple languages.

[–] hadek@lemmings.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As a tri-lingual belgian I feel that so much. (more of a poly-lingual because I speak 5 languages)

I'm super fluent in belgian dutch and belgian french, so whenever I swap (which I do without thinking, I will always answer in whatever language is spoken to me) people

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[–] adamhepner@szmer.info 7 points 3 weeks ago

But what instead? Spanish? German? Esperanto?

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 7 points 3 weeks ago

@atro_city I remember a few years ago there was a French far-right group or something that proposed Latin to be the lingua franca instead, lol. But I haven't heard anything since.

[–] lensipensi@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

Logical thinking I would think English should stay. It is by far the most known foreign language in Europe.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As another person said, this is bad use of terminology. Lingua franca is decided by the people through natural use, not by governance.

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[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Would be great to switch to mandarin. /s for all you humourless.

[–] circledot@feddit.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

English is good for the reasons pointed out. Also: It's no language of the EU (at least for now) so no country gets an edge over the others which should be considered too. (I'm a native German speaker)

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's no language of the EU (at least for now)

Ireland.

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[–] dumblederp@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

G'day from Australia, please don't cut our borderless monolingual Island off. Kiwi's probably feel similar too.

[–] Aufgehtsabgehts@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't kid yourself, if you would speak English over there, how come I barely understood this Australian who told me he's been "leggin' it barefoot since he stacked it near the servo and now he's flat out like a lizard drinkin' and tryin' to find a dunny before he cops a fair dinkum blue".

[–] ycnz@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 weeks ago

This is clearly fabricated, you're missing way too many swear words.

[–] ycnz@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Given how western society is doing, Mandarin might not be a terrible call.

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[–] Ole10@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't the new official EU language irish English? I speak english with heavy german accent, can this be the ligua franca?

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