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Linked National Post on purpose. Given their bias I believe they'd present the worst case scenario.

E: Apparently the article is from 2016 so the cost is likely higher today.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 minute ago

Ford blew twice that to put beer in gas stations. Clearly we have the money to blow 🤡

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 hour ago

Why bother paying anything? Let it go to court. Threatening annexation should fall under some kind of hostilities clause, national security clause, or force majeure clause. Anyway who's going to collect?

The US government can pay MD, they're the ones who threatened annexation.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We need to pull out of this deal, the last thing Canada needs is to buy weapons from the country that has designs to annex us. And that sells weapons with kill switches.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Weapons they need permission to use.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 minutes ago

That feels like an internet rumour. How would that even work? Like if someone took out LM's servers all F-35s in the world would no longer function? If an enemy jammed the signal they wouldn't work?

There's no need to invent problems anyway. The US could potentially cut off Canada from parts needed to maintain the planes and that's reason enough to cancel it.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Exactly. Absolutely it has to be cancelled based on the fact that the imminent danger to Canada is from the US. No way we should be buying their weapons, listening to their media etc.

[–] sirspate@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's an article from 2016.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Oh damn, I didn't notice. Thanks!

[–] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago

Of course Canada needs to leave. Do Canadian politicians think the US will supply it with parts as it invades?

Buy some Gripen and/or Eurofighters and join GCAP.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 hours ago

That's less than the total incurred costs of Ford's decision to break the contract with The Beer Store a year earlier than scheduled.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I've been advocating joining GCAP, an effort by Japan, UK and Italy to make a 6th gen fighter. It isn't scheduled to deliver the final design until 2035 though, so we would still need a stopgap.

Still, it would send a pretty strong signal and also allow as a path to reinvigorate our domestic aerospace defence industry.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 minutes ago

This looks like a good idea. We do have people in Lunenberg, NS that have experience with working with stealth materials which could be a significant contribution to that project.

Could we call it the Arrow? Though I'd also be cool with it being called Spitfire.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

America is currently at war with us, declared abruptly and out of nowhere. They just decided one day "we want to annex Canada!"

Even if Donald's presidency is short-lived and a new slightly saner and less stupid administration takes control, I don't think it's a good idea to be trusting the Americans any more.

We need to disentangle ourselves from any military dependence on such ridiculously unreliable "allies." I'm all for this.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 1 points 27 minutes ago

Even if Donald's presidency is short-lived and a new slightly saner and less stupid administration takes control

I know the hamburglar has got his sights on Trump but if he takes his shot during the next 4 years the US gets JD Vance. Vance will be a lot worse than Trump, I do not know how Musk or Teil will handle Vance.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Don't cancel. "Pause" it until further notice

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

“Canada’s liability would be no greater than US$346.7 million” – the difference between what it had already contributed and what was remaining of the original US$551 million commitment.

Since the analysis was produced, the Liberal government has paid another US$33 million.

Considering that there are Canadian companies that have contracts related to the f35 and they would almost certainly be cancelled or not renewed, running down the clock isn't a terrible idea. The $300+m is already a sunk cost.

[–] chuck@lemmy.ca 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

No say will cancel it and then pause it then cancel the landing gear then pause that then cancel it pause it till it comes back looking like the avro arrow

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 26 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.saab.com/markets/canada/gripen-for-canada/built-for-canada-by-canada

From another page:

"In addition, Canada will have full and exclusive control over Gripen’s secure data – a unique advantage of our offer. The Gripen Centre in Montreal will host all work on the fighter's mission system and Canadians will carry out this work. With the mission system, communications and technical data all hosted in Canada, Gripen exceeds all industrial, security and controlled goods requirements. With Gripen the Royal Canadian Air Force will have maximum control over sensitive data handling."

It's a no brainer, in a world of digital warfare, needing to rely on a foreign home base is a tremendous liability.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

How are they the only ones offering that, that needs to be table stakes to even bid

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 27 points 18 hours ago

Doug Ford spent much more on canceling various contracts on a whim. I say bail.

[–] Aconite@lemmy.ca 23 points 18 hours ago

Fuck it. They're an intelligence hazard and that's cheap in government terms.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. In this case I linked it on purpose because of their handlers.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)
  1. But it continues the notion that we should rely on them for information, when they have most certainly poisoned Canadian culture and politics.
  2. Also, by sending users to an American site, it increases their revenues, when this money could have gone to a Canadian media site.
  3. And if you aren't already aware, Canadian owned media is deliberately neglected because it's contrary to a particular elite group in this country... And yeah, we should support and grow Canadian owned media regardless of political party.

But if you still insist on supporting American media...

[–] Nils@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

These are numbers from 2016. Is there any place where we can read these contracts? Maybe with the current situation, conditions are changing. Hopefully, people put a clause in case of animosity between countries.

[–] fletch@mapstodon.space 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah Europe should also cancel, the Saabs are excellent while the F35 always has had… issues, and we also got the inferior version too.

[–] fletch@mapstodon.space 3 points 16 hours ago

@nightwatch_admin you must make it at home, at scale, without reliance on enemies or potential enemies. It’s a reasonably simple matrix to optimise. Eurofighter and Saab, new Euro. Make Australia and Canada and New Zealand and UK demonstrate their commitment to a rules base world.

[–] adamsteer@mapstodon.space 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

@fletch @avidamoeba
IKR
it's a geostrategic steal compared to staying entrenched! I hope #auspol is listening.

[–] fletch@mapstodon.space 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

@adamsteer @avidamoeba time to put a proper moat around “EURO interoperability” interoperability with USA is a trap

[–] fletch@mapstodon.space 3 points 16 hours ago

@adamsteer @avidamoeba USA are gone from NATO, stand up, dig in. Is it the easy road? NO! Do you want a future where you steal a toilet for your home town? That’s where you’re headed, Russia