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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

Walkable cities. Biking infrastructure. Reliable public transit.

Regularless of of what'd going on in the world right now, these would make our cities far better.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That would work for much of the population that lives within 100 miles of the US border, but there is a lot of rural and green space in Canada, and bikes aren't great in Canadian winters. Canada needs good car options too.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

and thats any worse than US tech because?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Oh no, I mentioned China, so .ml weirdos come knocking

Who said it was worse? Why did you imply that?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You were definitely implying it's worse than infrastructure that doesn't phone home, which doesn't exist, so at best your comment was useless

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[–] gutsnsuch@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The US doesn’t throw your sorry ass in prison for calling the leader a bad name. Pull your gigantic head out from within your deep cavity.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 days ago

*yet. Who knows what's down the pike.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

To be fair; not yet.

As much as I agree that Winnie pooh is evil, and that we should never want to rely on any Chinese infrastructure or product,the US is currently speed running off a cliff towards something possibly worse than China.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

look up some of what the fbi did, and probably the entire history of the cia... and it currently seems its about to get a bit worse...

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 10 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

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[–] Slayan@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec's battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Please gimme a diesel hilux

[–] WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao, you are bitching about Americans and you want to give your business to fucking China? Honestly, not much better. They will be spying on your whole fucking infrastructure in 3 years.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 1 points 2 days ago

I don't think Americans are trying to steal your proprietary business info or anything else. That's kind of a stupid question.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 44 points 4 days ago

Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

China isn't our friend. The whole 'make it more financially appealing for the world to not war' is not working. China isn't influencing the world to be decent and at peace. They're Putin's allies and therefore our enemies.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah China feeling more emboldened to invade Taiwan and talking about wanting to send in troops to gain experience in Ukraine shows they are looking to fill in the power vacuum left by the US and become US 2.0.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago (9 children)

No, absolutely not like Russia 2.0 The Chinese are taking a completely different approach to the Russians. The fact that people still think the Chinese are stupid is unbelievable...

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[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’re Putin’s allies

And America isn't?

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There's still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think Europe or Canada should make EVs, and Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project. Greenland gets closer to independence, and whoever makes the cars gets to piss on Musk. Win-win, no need for the risk of CCP becoming too influential within democratic governments.

...While trade is a good thing, I think that maintaining at least a moderate level of manufacturing industry and sciences within your nation or cultural sphere to be very important. Just in case things get weird, like how 2025 has been.

[–] Carl@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project.

Greenland gets closer to independence

Colonial provinces supplying strategic resources to their European occupier has rarely made them more independent.

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[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The argument against Chinese Ev's is not an economic one.

If some authoritarian state wants to steal from its poorest in society and transfer the wealth to foreign electric car buyers, why is our government trying to win in the race to the bottom?

Billions have been spent on the Canadian EV industry through subsidies, tax cuts and grants. The relative amount of jobs and Canada made goods are pitiful. The real beneficiaries are the foreign auto companies.

We will NEVER have a competitive advantage against China, Japan, US, UK, SK and Germany. Stop trying and put all that money and effort into something we do have a chance at being competitive in.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's not about being competitive against Chinese EVs, it's about preventing China from attacking us economically, politically, and potentially even digitally.

These aren't just dumb vehicles, they're running Chinese made software, for a Chinese company, and reporting data back to China.

They're not just manufactured in China like you may have with other digital devices, with the software control and data residing in more friendly nations.

That matters.

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We already have Chinese phones, applications, computers and networks.

I don't believe cars are not a meaningful attack vector relative to the economic benefit. Tiktok is a far larger threat.

The trade disputes related to Meng Wanzhou are nothing in comparison to what the US is doing right now.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don’t believe cars are not a meaningful attack vector

Considering that EVs are now ranked as the worst offenders for spying on people, just imagine if China was being fed live audio/video + locations of all their customers. They could effectively set up actual surveillance that saturates every populated square meter of the country (including in people's garages or driveways!) through the Trojan horse of affordable EVs.

We should be cautious.

That said, if China can provide safe and affordable EVs that aren't connected to the internet... basically a dumb car that runs on batteries... it would be a much better thing for anyone considering a new vehicle.

Personally, I'd rather support Canadian, European, or Japanese auto manufacturers.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

In case you hadn't noticed, Chinese devices are frequently banned in Canada, especially for government use.

Chinese gear in telecom networks is either not allowed or being phased out. Chinese cellphones are not allowed for government use. Chinese apps are not allowed on government machines.

I do believe cars are a meaningful attack vector, with enough market penetration the ability to just "turn them off" could cripple the country, and there's not much point in letting them in if we limit the percentage down to something that would lessen the impact.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (7 children)

These aren’t just dumb vehicles, they’re running Chinese made software, for a Chinese company, and reporting data back to China.

If your paranoia wins, then dumb EVs are cheaper than FSD. Tesla will be reporting data back to US. These are issues that only arise because you are committed to having a war on China, as bestest idea ever for Canadian prosperity. USA current war on us should be a bigger concern.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The whole β€œChina bad America good” concept has been put in a different light of late.

Does EU/North America fear truly China because of its expansionist policies, or simply because their skin is a different colour? It’s not like the USA is above tampering in foreign government and bugging electronics.

I say go for it, Canada. If only because it’ll push Tesla off the scoreboard without the tariffs. They can’t compete.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago

I hope EVs don't get a bad name out of all this. EVs are one of the few good things to come out of the last decade or so.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Electrek (the publisher of the article) seems to be a bit of a shill for Chinese EV companies, or he's getting some kind of commission. He's repeatedly promoted Chinese factories, goes on Chinese factory tours, etc... I don't know what the angle is, but it's vastly different from similar sources like Electroheads out of the UK.

That said, fuck Tesla.

Also, Canada should invest in building more micromobility devices here, like e-bikes, e-scooters, etc. The future isn't cars, and we need more affordable, accessible modes of transportation.

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