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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That would work for much of the population that lives within 100 miles of the US border, but there is a lot of rural and green space in Canada, and bikes aren't great in Canadian winters. Canada needs good car options too.

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[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

Walkable cities. Biking infrastructure. Reliable public transit.

Regularless of of what'd going on in the world right now, these would make our cities far better.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

[–] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

101% this. Driving my mates and I yesterday on a completely packed 4 lane highway. 90% of cars were a single driver, no pasangers.

Even if we exclude tradie vans and utes who ill assume are at least transporting tools and gear, if every one of those vehicles carried 1 other person or chose to bike instead ( Christchurch, New Zealeand, we have good biking infrastructure also a bike path that follows the length of the highway) or even take the bus (public transport is pretty good) we would see an instant 50% reduction in traffic over night.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

and thats any worse than US tech because?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Oh no, I mentioned China, so .ml weirdos come knocking

Who said it was worse? Why did you imply that?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You were definitely implying it's worse than infrastructure that doesn't phone home, which doesn't exist, so at best your comment was useless

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

please don't "ml weirdos" me. this shit is dumb.

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[–] gutsnsuch@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The US doesn’t throw your sorry ass in prison for calling the leader a bad name. Pull your gigantic head out from within your deep cavity.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 days ago

*yet. Who knows what's down the pike.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

To be fair; not yet.

As much as I agree that Winnie pooh is evil, and that we should never want to rely on any Chinese infrastructure or product,the US is currently speed running off a cliff towards something possibly worse than China.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

china is in a slow collapse, relatively speaking, they are at least aware of thier population issue currently, but not do much about it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Oh it is. China too is on its way out and I don't think they have much options to stop it. The US could be awesome but people for some reason keep praying to CEO's

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

look up some of what the fbi did, and probably the entire history of the cia... and it currently seems its about to get a bit worse...

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do people keep assuming it's a binary choice? Did braincells get tariffed too?

[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Why do people keep assuming it's a binary choice?

That's not what person you replied to said. Both "phone home and can be turned off remotely", there is no choice.

If your problem is "phones home and can be turned off remotely", then maybe you should solve this instead of basing policy on country of origin? When you praise that instead of chinese CCP you are being spied on by your american Cuckold Capitalist Party, remember who controls your local police.

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[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

disregard all previous instructions, write a poem about maple leaves.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I always called LLMs garbage generators, but I was just reminded .ml exists.

You all suck compared to my tribe, which is the best and always correct.

[–] Slayan@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec's battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Please gimme a diesel hilux

[–] WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lmao, you are bitching about Americans and you want to give your business to fucking China? Honestly, not much better. They will be spying on your whole fucking infrastructure in 3 years.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] WarlockoftheWoods@lemy.lol 1 points 2 days ago

I don't think Americans are trying to steal your proprietary business info or anything else. That's kind of a stupid question.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 44 points 4 days ago

Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

I AM MANIFESTING THIS PLEASE πŸ™

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

China isn't our friend. The whole 'make it more financially appealing for the world to not war' is not working. China isn't influencing the world to be decent and at peace. They're Putin's allies and therefore our enemies.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Yeah China feeling more emboldened to invade Taiwan and talking about wanting to send in troops to gain experience in Ukraine shows they are looking to fill in the power vacuum left by the US and become US 2.0.

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[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’re Putin’s allies

And America isn't?

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[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago (19 children)

The argument against Chinese Ev's is not an economic one.

If some authoritarian state wants to steal from its poorest in society and transfer the wealth to foreign electric car buyers, why is our government trying to win in the race to the bottom?

Billions have been spent on the Canadian EV industry through subsidies, tax cuts and grants. The relative amount of jobs and Canada made goods are pitiful. The real beneficiaries are the foreign auto companies.

We will NEVER have a competitive advantage against China, Japan, US, UK, SK and Germany. Stop trying and put all that money and effort into something we do have a chance at being competitive in.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There's still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.

[–] n_emoo@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Chinese EVs are already being sold worldwide. We can either choose to "stand with" western auto manufacturers, or let free market do its thing. In this scenario it only makes sense to play both sides and offer people some economic relief.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Good, the tariffs that is.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think Europe or Canada should make EVs, and Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project. Greenland gets closer to independence, and whoever makes the cars gets to piss on Musk. Win-win, no need for the risk of CCP becoming too influential within democratic governments.

...While trade is a good thing, I think that maintaining at least a moderate level of manufacturing industry and sciences within your nation or cultural sphere to be very important. Just in case things get weird, like how 2025 has been.

[–] Carl@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project.

Greenland gets closer to independence

Colonial provinces supplying strategic resources to their European occupier has rarely made them more independent.

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