Better Firefox than Chrome, I agree
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I don't think anyone here who talked about switching away from firefox even considered the chromium browsers as an alternative.
What the other comment also said its a baseless assumption that the forks wont live on without firefox. Thats just not how open source works.
New web technologies
Do you mean the ones that we are creating with the fediverse that are all equally open source or just those that google wants us to adopt?
developing Firefox costs $500,000,000 a year, according to Mozilla's books. you won't get the kind of hours that money buys you from a volunteer only project.
and for better or worse (it's worse), google dictates the Internet's shape. any browser that can't keep up with what google offers is untenable.
This is like saying Linux can’t be viable because Microsoft spends an estimated 3-5 Bilion on windows annually.
To me, the value of the internet is in connecting people with freedom of expression. I don't know what you believe any of us is gaining by letting google walk over us.
If we just stop playing along it looks like the enshitificated corpo owned sites are doing us one favor by isolating themselves from us, motivating innovation. But we wont be isolated from the net. We will be right here.
And if we look at historical references of a split internet. Facebook has an .onion version to be used with tor. So actually, they will still be chasing us. Because they need us way more then we need them.
it's more like saying Linux wouldn't be viable at the scale it exists at today if it suddenly had the resources it had in 1995.
i want to believe development on Firefox could continue without Mozilla, but browsers are a fast-moving target with a massive attack surface.
No, because Linux is backed by big corpos, Microsoft included. Firefox isn't.
In every post I've seen of the change in Firefox TOU there's been people asking for alternatives and proposing chromium based browsers as alternatives (even chrome). I just can't grasp how anyone escaping Firefox because of these changes would willingly go to any based in chromium... But so many are just doing that. It seems many people using Firefox are just following recommendations and this whole issue with Firefox might hurt a lot more than any one thinks having a free web.
@Jerry@hear-me.social I completely agree! Firefox is a vital alternative to Chrome, and it’s frustrating to see Mozilla struggle with communication and PR.
As someone who's complained a lot about Mozilla, I feel like I should've added more often for people who don't know it: ... but at least it's not as bad as Chrome.
Holding onto LibreWolf as a patched Firefox while donating and supporting Servo in hopes that if Mozilla actually shits the bed in two or three years there's an alternative ready.
@Jerry@hear-me.social same here. I tried some #Firefox forks in the last few days. No one convinced me to switch from the original browser. Firefox is strong, more since they have brought the vertical tabs. And at work, the Multi containers extension is a no brainer for me. I still use Brave, and since a few days I give another try to Vivaldi. But FF is still my default browser.
Fun game is to watch the network traffic in vanilla Firefox, long before this latest switch. Just server connections to 6-10 servers, some outside my county on immediate start up. Firefox has been trash for a long while
I don't think some network connections means anything bad, there are checks for updates on the browser and addons, the safe browsing list data, the adblocker list data, and so on.
Its like saying a Linux distro is bad because it checks the repos for updates.
From a privacy perspective, at least in the US, any traffic outside of the country is analyzed differently than traffic only in the US. Not that it really matters much, since US gov likes to track everything, I just found it annoying watching FF connect to so many servers before ever going to a website. Seems sketchy, since harden FF don't do this
That's absolutely the argument for why Microsoft is "spyware". The terms of use and having network connections.