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Sending Canadian troops to Ukraine ‘on the table’ under possible peace deal: Trudeau (www.ctvnews.ca)
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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

This is actually a bigger deal than you think. This is Canada solidifying its position as a reliable defence partner in the newly-forming European power structure left by America's exit. We need to do more, and we need to bolster our own forces and start producing our own arms and arms for Europe, but this is a start. Helping Europe secure peace will keep Canada on the table as a serious ally.

For those that think this is leaving us vulnerable to the US: We already are. If the US wanted to invade then they could do it easily even with our full fighting force present. It would be ruinous for the US economy and cause extreme civil unrest (potentially open revolt) so they're not likely to do it, though. Economic pressure is the name of their game right now.

[–] Snowstorm@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

Exactly, we need to be relevant to Europe and giving a very visible hand to one of their most important priority is an investment in Canada. That doesn’t need to be frontline boots on the ground but it’s time for visible Canadian logistic support inside Ukraine and at home manufacturing modern gear.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

This is great that we’re showing support, but we have a massive orange Nazi south of us looking to invade because we’re a threat to him, or Outin wants him to invade, or whatever reason of the day suits him.

I certainly hope all these countries help us out the same way we’ve always helped others.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 hours ago

To be honest I don't think he will for a simple reason.

Trump wants power, getting in a war with a powerful opponent won't make him powerful. Ruining relationships, buddying up to Putin and telling people he will beat them up will give him power.

He's a bully.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

The more we can learn about keeping a large neighbouring power at bay the better.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 14 points 7 hours ago

I'm sure, if Ukraine gets a safe and lasting peace, we'd be happy to share our experience and domestic military production. Last I heard, we've got some really cool drones that do a great job exploding enemy soldiers in what they think are safe positions.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 hours ago

That’s a good point!!

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 21 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

A few thousand soldiers isn't going to be spit in the wind against the US military. Might as well get some good training for them with Ukrainian drone operators against a larger foe.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

A few thousand soldiers isn't going to be spit in the wind against the US military.

A rough estimate puts national gun ownership at around 26%. Ownership is inconsistent, with higher per capita in towns with less than 1 million people. A 1997 estimate puts collective ownership at that time around 7 million firearms, with 1.2 million being of the restricted category.

If less than 50% of gun owners decide to join an insurgency, and say 10-20% of non-owner run support.... it's gonna be a bad fucking time for the US. They also historically have a hard time dealing with insurgents, asymmetric warfare has always been very hard for them to deal with.

In 1984, the Irish Republican Army tried to kill British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher with a bomb. They did not succeed, but they did send a message. “You have to be lucky all the time. We only have to be lucky once."

The trouble with insurgents is that they're the town doctor, the kid who pumps your gas, and the soccer mom you see every day on your way to put boots to necks.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think they meant the few thousand that would be sent to Ukraine, not that there would only be a few thousand soldiers in total. Winning or losing wouldn't be dictated on the handful of soldiers that might be in Ukraine.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Canadian troops are a Peacekeeping force. We almost never put boots on the ground unless there's a ceasefire or peace agreement, and we're there to enforce it.

So yeah, the game would likely already be up by the time we got there.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

We are of one mind on this. The USA got their balls chopped off in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, slinking off in ignominy after Raytheon made their billions. We'd kick them out of Canada, too.

It would suck, and we'd probably end up being run by dictators for a generation or two, but that's a problem we could face.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Absolutely. Let's hope it doesn't come to worst case scenario. Hopefully they'll tear themselves apart, we end up with a few new provinces/territories, the Nazis get to dance the dangling jig, and we all get pissed on a Canada day BBQ.

[–] cyphear@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

We can already assume that the US will not follow the Geneva Convention. You guys know what to do.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

It's been a while since a new Geneva Checklist item was added because of Canadian soldiers. I'm sure we could come up with some new ones if pressed.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

Before we teamed up with the Polish, it was only a Geneva Checklist.....

[–] ahal@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago

If it's part of a peace deal they wouldn't be seeing actual combat, but I guess you never know with Russia. Still good experience though.