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[–] GTG3000@programming.dev 3 points 23 hours ago

How would they even guarantee access to e2e email? That's not enforced by some company, that's just an open standard.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The power struggle in these governements between the psycho glowies and the people with IT knowledge pushing for more encryption and decentralization must be so frustrating. Imagine you work for years on large scale implementations for more private and secure infrastructure and then some 40 IQ caveman comes along screaming about "protect the children and police work is too hard waaah" completely fucking your whole public standing.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think they're stupid, they just don't care about the same things. The sooner people understand that the better.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah i know, they are simply corrupt and serve the interest of tech companies looking to capitalize from those decisions. But that only makes sense on a surface level, because if we actually broke encryption like this, they themselves would be heavily negatively impacted by it. Nobody wins when all communication is backdoored. Ofcourse they would say "ah but we the important people wont have the backdoored version" but realistically that wont work.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah i know, they are simply corrupt

They aren't stupid or corrupt. They have different priorities. Perfect privacy isn't a fundamental right. It's perfectly reasonable for some people think it is worth giving up in return for making it easier to catch criminals.

And yes it does make it easier to catch criminals. They aren't all tech masterminds with perfect opsec who think "oh, no E2E encryption in WhatsApp; I'd better use Signal instead".

I still think we should be allowed to have proper encryption. But I totally understand why some people don't, and it isn't because they are corrupt or stupid.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, they are corrupt, absolutely no way to deny this without lying. Example: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-johansson-vainly-tries-to-dismiss-lobbying-network-in-libe-committee/

There is no way to argue against encryption without ignoring the catastrophic consequences it would bring to ban encryption. I think its fair to call it stupid if people do so anyways. Banning encryption is like nuking your own country, if you dont understand that then there is no value in talking to you.

[–] kat@orbi.camp 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Criminals will find alternatives. While consumers end up losing their rights.

Also, just cause someone has reasons, doesn't mean they're not corrupt or stupid.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Criminals will find alternatives.

Some criminals will find alternatives. Read my comment again and think about it some more.

[–] kat@orbi.camp 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wait, my comment wasn't meant for you. But the one above.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

You have no idea whether the people pushing for encryption backdoors are corrupt or not.

Seeking to spy on everybody's private communications could be described as corrupt by default. It could also be called a whole host of things including creepy, fascist, totalitarian.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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