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Are VPN good for privacy today, should we used them to protect our privacy?

Not free, none have all advantages and wouldn't let my ISP only know my traffic so these times I'm really overwhelmed by all of this

Used Tor for a bit but it's not practically useful, slow (okay but not the main problem) and blocked by a lot of websites..

Maybe a chain of VPN could be good? I really don't know, can you help me?

Basically I don't want to have no protection but don't think VPNs are really the solution...

PS: maybe a rented machine with self hosted like VPN could be good?

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[–] a14o@feddit.org 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Privacy is a trade-off against convenience, and there is no perfect privacy.

VPNs are a mediocre privacy tool, because they presuppose trust in the VPN provider. Tor is flawed because it is open to correlation attacks.

There are low-hanging fruit that everybody should be using like sensible cookie policies, HTTPS-only mode, and DNS over HTTPS.

If you are looking for a solution on the far end of privacy/inconvenience you could look into I2P and use that situationally.

[–] CedarA64@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

I would rather put my trust in a good VPN provider than the big CAs. And HTTPS only and DoH is not going to protect you from fingerprinting using your IP address.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is a self hosted VPN good for daily privacy?

[–] a14o@feddit.org 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That depends on your threat model. It's a useful strategy to hide your traffic from your local network admin (e.g. at the workplace) and your ISP, but it's a bad strategy for hiding your identity from the sites you're visiting.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you are really concerned, buy VPC from large cloud provider, install HTTPS server proxy, configure your web browser to use it. 512MB RAM server will be sufficient as long as it is given enough CPU. Free google instance is suffering from low CPU, not memory.

This way your link between you and internet provider is obscured. Your IP will be shared with others by cloud provider, so you get some obfuscation on that end.

If you use your own certificate authority, then you will get 100% man in the middle protection for link between internet provider and your home. If you use let’s encrypt, then we don’t know that status.

Advantage of this model is speed.

Your browser is still finger-printable, as always.

Securing DNS is its own topic.

You shifted your identity to cloud provider, so it is never 100% safe.

Forget about we keep no logs VPN statements. Judge order and you are logged by VPN provider and don’t know it. So what are you paying for? Slow speed and obfuscation of IP?

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Or maybe a two hope vps setup should be great too, while preserving usable speeds

[–] land@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In my opinion, a VPN is a must-have, especially if you’re self-hosting, especially for a media server.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What does VPN hide that HTTPS can’t hide for media server?

I am looking at the scenario of listening to my music collection on self-hosted Jellyfin server.

IP address of my phone? That’s irrelevant.

HTTPS is way faster than VPN.

[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It could hide your IP from someone on Lemmy finding your IP address

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Any HTTP proxy will do it without VPN complexity.

[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

They didn't really ask about a proxy server, I just gave them one thing a VPN could do

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 3 points 4 days ago

What does VPN hide that HTTPS can’t hide for media server?

HTTPS Doesn't hide where the traffic is going, so your ISP will track you going to piracy sites. It also doesn't protect you against identification when torrenting.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Depends on your threat model - mine is to make it as annoying and difficult for data sellers and advertisers to profile me as possible so in that scenario a reputable VPN service makes perfect sense.

There's no such thing as total privacy and each service/software is simply a piece of the puzzle. If my government really wanted my data I'm sure they could find a way but making it as difficult as possible for techno-fascists is fine by me.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago

Fingerprinting bypasses all your efforts.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This all kind of depends on your threat model... a VPN hides traffic from your ISP, and puts your traffic in with a lot of other traffic, but domestic IPs generally rotate fairly frequently, so only your ISP really knows when that happens, but they also probably sell that data because we live in an over-financialized, under-regulated hellscape, but your VPN also exists in that hellscape, and knows who you are just as much unless you buy Mulvad with perfectly laundered monero and is as likely to be selling that data if not more so than your ISP. There's a reason why people use tor...

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Maybe Orbot for phones and Carburetor for the desktop. But Proton VPN is pretty good if you ignore the drama around the company.