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Firefox terms up service (it got way worse) (www.mozilla.org)
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When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Also Firefox now has a Acceptable use policy https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Get ready for ads as well

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

They removed this:


            {

                "@type": "Question",

                "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",

                "acceptedAnswer": {

                    "@type": "Answer",

                    "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

                }

            },
[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Firefox already has ads. (Though you can turn them off.) As does its default search engine.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if the "never will" part is legally binding. Most companies bend over backwards to avoid making future-looking guarantees like that.

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Nah. Such permanent guarantees are not legally enforceable, if a company really cares about it they'll structure themselves in such a way as to make it very hard to change by having veto voices in their ownership structure who are for such things and will not allow a change, by writing language that requires some high majority of agreement of these owners that's hard to come by to change such conditions.

At best you get it in a contract when you use the software but guess what, that contract can and is overwritten as soon as you use a new version of the software with a new contract, feel free to use the old one full of one-click machine compromise vulnerabilities forever if you'd like but in reality you have no choice but to update and accept the new contract.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

What's the best fork that's available in apt?

[–] Majestic@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Um what the fuck.

Input information THROUGH the browser and they're granted a right to that info worldwide license to use that? To use what I type into my url bar? To use what I search? To use what I type into forms on websites? This is a more all-encompassing spying license than I think even Google has. This is absurd. This is a spyware license not that of a browser. Not only that, any files I upload, their names, any files I download their names.

Maybe they'll sell information on who looks like they're doing filesharing, or porn habits, or those with politics a certain US administration present or future may not like.

This is unacceptable.

People saying "oh but it's just to use the web" well part of the way they word it, all they have to do is insert spyware/adware or AI as they commonly call it these days and suddenly oh look at that, your normal use of the browser and how the data is used includes sending it all to us or our partners for the purposes of AI/ads, etc. One tiny little change, an addition no one will remark on or notice in future and suddenly this takes on very dire implications.

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

The acceptable use policy is for Mozilla systems, such a pocket or ai tools, it doesn't apply to Firefox (according to a Firefox forum response)

[–] baldprophet@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This just means they can use the information you input in order for Firefox to work the way you expect it to. The purpose of the information collection is clearly stated:

to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If Mozilla wants to limit their use of my input, why the do I need to give them a full, non-exclusive license?

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So that they can process all your input.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

"Something something AI"

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Firefox works just fine without the ToS change. They are up to something.

[–] Ankkuli@lemdro.id 2 points 1 week ago

Wouldn’t just ”exclusive” be the word that your argument would be better with?

[–] Trashboat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

But what does that actually mean? It just sounds as vague and non descriptive as possible, which is the worrisome part legally

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess we will be seeing our old friends Iceweasel, Icecat, Fennec, etc. again.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Just be mindful of security patching

[–] Cronzo@lemmus.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's time to move to LibreWolf I guess...

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Even if you go though and adjust settings it is still better than stock Firefox

[–] SnotBubble@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the privacy policy they state how and why they collect data. They also say how to potentially stop giving them this data

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#to-adapt-firefox-to-your-needs

[–] SnotBubble@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Not sure how honest & reliable this is. It's bad enough that they decided for this.

[–] InvisibleRasta@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

pacman -S w3m

looking for conflicting packages...

Package (1)  New Version            Net Change  Download Size

extra/w3m    0.5.3.git20230713_1-1    2,06 MiB       0,98 MiB

Total Download Size:   0,98 MiB
Total Installed Size:  2,06 MiB

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
[–] scala@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's an alternative like Libre Wolf for android?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Fennec although it isn't hardened.