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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 83 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Canada should be investing in healthcare and science, taking advantage of the current opportunity to poach world-class talent from the USA. And don't vote Conservative because they'll do the opposite.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 54 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I can’t agree with your comment more. It’s time for Canada to take a stand and invite in all the smartest people from the US to help us bolster our economy and better the country.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Problem with that is we gotta offer a higher salary, which we can't afford right now. Now with how medicare is being sabotaged by conservative provincial governments.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

For many of them, just coming to Canada is worth making a few bucks less.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Not living under fascism and the threat of going to prison for doing your job is worth a pay cut for some. That said, we shouldn't underpay medical professionals.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They're already very well paid. A bit too much in my opinion. Sure they have a lot of responsibilities and there's a lot of risks. But so do engineers, and they're not even close to what medical professionals do. (Correct me if I'm wrong though)

Edit:

Here's a link with data about medical professional salaries in Canada:

https://invested.mdm.ca/how-much-do-doctors-make-in-canada/

And here is one with the data for France:

https://www.medelse.com/actualites/la-remuneration-des-medecins-par-specialite-le-guide/

Or (from 2018)

https://medical-rh.com/salaire-des-medecins-classement/

If they stay in the US for the money, they deserve to stay there and see what happens.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Call it 'Projet Trombone' .

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Is tech support in demand? πŸ˜…

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If we get all the smart people, most everything will be in demand.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Must be nice to be so privileged.
Do dumb people deserve fascists?

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, the dumb people voted for the fascists, so kinda?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

There are plenty of dumb people who don't support fascists and plenty of smart people who do. Intelligence is completely unrelated to morality.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What the fuck?

Where's your reading comprehension?

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

My mistake, i thought this topic was about how emigrsting to Canada is realistically only possible for people who have skills in high demand and are referred to here as "smart".

Sorry for offending you, oh wise one. I'm just a mere moron, please forgive me.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even with your apology you sound like a dick.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It was sarcasm.
When you're going to be a fucking asshole and immediately start insulting people you don't get an apologyβ€”you get a "go fuck yourself". Feel free to do so.

Feel free to have the last word before i block you.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Good fucking riddance.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Same situation, here in Europe - the most beneficial situation would be to have a bigger partnership between the EU and Canada! Only then, we could face Trump, Putin, and other dictators.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Trudeau did a great job of doing this the first time around. We got some big names in Chemistry back across the border. Thanks Trump lol

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 5 points 5 days ago

From what little I know, I believe that wait times for Canadian family physicians suck because they move to the US for better pay. So this is rebalancing the scales

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Get the government in the business of building homes. Stop relying on the private sector, this shit needs to be done ASAP. Then reach our to American talent!

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

Pharmaceutical tech and bio students are getting offers rescinded to universities because of the US grant cuts.

We have the chance to eat the US’s lunch for the next decade of health tech right now.

[–] Bublboi@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Welcome. Shouldn’t be hard to get in if you have credentials.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago

I've got my ticket in, just waiting for bureaucracy at this point :)

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

Cmon home! We need ya!

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yay! But also consider coming to the EU; we are also in need of good doctors!

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is already a brain drain of doctors from the south to the north and west of Europe. So so many Greeks for example.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

Fair enough, but I am from Portugal, so I do feel the issue.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ironic commenting this from Lemmy.ca

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A fine point, but Lemmy.ca is geared towards Canadians, not exclusive to them.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not a doctor but if trump takes Canada, I'll be seriously looking into what it takes to move to The Netherlands.... That or some nice country/Island where I don't need to hurt other people.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My country (Portugal) is a quite good place, but please don't buy or rent any overpriced house, because that makes it too expensive for the poorest citizens (minimum salary is less than 900 euros per month).

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've heard nothing but good things about Portugal! Though, I think it's incredibly disrespectful to go to a country and not know at least SOME of the local language. I've never even considered learning Portuguese but I am now, if not just to visit. I will 100% respect the local culture.

I really like it in Canada, but I am quite scared of trump calling himself king, Canada the 51st state, etc. If it comes down to it, any peaceful place is where I want to be.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

It is a good place, but it does not necessarily have a lot of good people. We also have quite some ignorants, similar to the 'Murican ones. Another thing is that Portuguese is not very easy to learn or pronounce, especially the more neutral accent (the pseudo-Lisbon one). My suggestion is to pick a place you'd like to visit, and specialize your information, for that area. Anyway, good luck!

[–] OneTwoThree@mander.xyz 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm a current American bio student planning to go into healthcare, can confirm I'm planning to go to grad school abroad to hopefully escape the US. I'm not planning to go to Canada though, I'm planning to go to Australia. I decided not to look into Canada after hearing of it's rising far-right and anti-immigrant sentiment. If Canada wants US brain drain Canadians would have to be willing to accept American immigrants, even with how poorly many Canadians view Americans right now

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Australia has the same problems as Canada

[–] OneTwoThree@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

And it's a problem there too. Both Australia and Canada need to cool it with the anti-immigrant scapegoating unless they want to end up like America. Ultimately the main reason I chose Australia over Canada was due to it's further distance from the US making it less likely to get embridled in geopolitical conflicts with the US, like Canada already is with these tariff wars

[–] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My bro, or sis, if you're not going to Canada because of righties and anti-immigration, I got some bad news for you about Aus...

[–] OneTwoThree@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, I'm very aware that Australia (and the whole of the world for that matter) also has rising far-right and anti-immigration sentiment. I'm not sure why so many people in this thread think I was born yesterday and have done 0 research on the matter of where I hope to spend the rest of my life. Ultimately anywhere is better than the US though, and I can't allow myself to be so caught up in self-defeatist thoughts like "everywhere has rising far-right politics" or "nowhere is safe" or "immigration is too hard" that I stay paralyzed in the line of danger.

My decision to choose Australia over Canada was ultimately a matter of degree. I felt a country further from the US would be more safe geopolitcally, Australia's higher foreign-born population would lead to a less xenophobic culture, and compulsory voting laws would keep far-right politicians from gaining or maintaining a foothold, thank you for your concern

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Got a bio friend fleeing to NZ rn

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I can't be the only one who read the title as "pegging canada," right?

Only took 40 years to reverse brain drain

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 days ago

So maybe all the Canadian-trained doctors can come back?

sorta annoying the universal healthcare fighting AMA is pretty responsible for where we are now.

[–] lemmyausmister@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

Under his eye(liner)