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What kind of things could a person carry to sell and how if they ever had to forcibly leave?

I read diamonds are worthless second hand.

Solid gold seems legit but not sure if coins or jeweler is best.

I saw something about getting gold chains to trade individual links in a emergency.

Are there any other good tips?

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Edit: Put in a Consolidation effort based on comments and side research

  1. Jewelery is good getting through customs as some countries have limits on what you can take over borders. Canada for example has 10k limit before you have to delcare and it is not clear if per person.

1.a) Always buy jewelry you plan to wear anyway because you will not get full value back.

1.b) Buy from reputable locations. Looks like Mene was a popular one.

  1. Gold coins are good but get normal ones like Eagles, Buffalo, or Maple as it's easier to sell. Fancy ones are cool as collector item but will require more haggling.

2a) Bars are cheaper over spot but can be harder to sell overall

2b) Seems like libertycoin had consistent reviews.

  1. Cash is light but if your origin country currency dips then it's worthless.

  2. Crypto requires you to have your wallet seed and importantly access to a pc and electricity.

  3. Make sure to have a backup skil/trade to live off of.

  4. Transferring money between banks can have legal issues.

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[–] Anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Currency. Paper money that has high acceptance internationally, like US Dollars or Euros, both can be easily traded by local currency pretty much anywhere in the world.

Seconding this. The best money is still money.

If you can't get a good stable currency or you have legitimate fears that the currency you can get is in danger of some kind of collapse, gold or silver coins would be your best second bet. In this case you'll want well known coins minted by an actual government such as an American gold eagle or the Canadian silver maple leaf rather than the coin shaped "rounds" that a lot of places sell. The rounds will have the same issue as jewelry, you'll have to haggle over weight and quality every time you sell one. Actual coins issued by a government mint will have pretty well established values so they will be easier to sell at a fair price.

Lol, not US Dollars. Not after November 5th, 2024.

Just go Euro

[–] Gayhitler@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you’re planning to leave with enough time, register a business or trust or something, transfer your money to a shell company, repeat as necessary then transfer it to the place you’re trying to go.

Use the tools of the people with money not the tools of people who get patted down for loose change by the tsa.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

Extremely effective, happens all the time with amounts more than an average person can ever earn.

[–] Gayhitler@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

It’s one technique used to hide and move money all the time.

A different way is to buy some asset in the destination nation then sell it when you arrive. So like a bond or an etf share or something.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Good usecase for bitcoin, bring your private key

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You could also explore some crypto options like monero (XMR). It can be theft resistant if you set it up properly.

Edit: Mind replying to me instead of downvoting? What is the problem with crypto in this scenario?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lolol, it's the Reddit mindset, they see "Crypto" they insta downvote.

Btw, there's always like 1-3 downvoters from bots, even if you make a totally non-political post like a picture of a cat. That's just how Lemmy is.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If you are fleeing from the US, get a bunch of guns. Gotta make money from illegal weapon sales overseas, just as the founders intended. 😎

God Bless The 2nd Amendment πŸ™

(Also, build a backyard nuke while you're at it, sell it to the Libyans)

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Bitcoin is best. Can theoretically keep your wallet seed in your head instead of paper or on phone. Anything physical is subject to border guards or other transporation/exgress/ingress assisters.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Get tattoo of wallet seed lol.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Write disguised poem including your wallet seed.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Don't make it fire incase someone wants to steal yo rhymes.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nah you need to create a cipher in your head, then you tattoo the encrypted seed. Easier to remember than the seed itself, and only readable by you.

Maybe have a second tattoo to remind you what the cipher is lol. Then another for that one...

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Praising crypto on Lemmy is one of the deadly sins

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It seems to work like the stock market. I lost faith when it when up and down 10s of thousands of dollars in a few days that doesn't mean that it isn't worth the risk if you are going to lose everything anyway.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah I definitely believe more in Crypto and even Bitcoin than the mythical USD printer. But most Lemmings hate it with a passion because it consumes electricity. Same with AI.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah well let's hope no one ever need it then. El salvador just got bought out of using bit coin. Guess someone Is afraid of how useful it is.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's what I mean by afraid.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Oh yes I misread your comment. Indeed you are correct.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Transfer your money to an overseas bank in your target nation.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I Heard there are some complications with that. Some people said consult a lawyer before moving finances.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good advice. Same with real estate. There are all sorts of laws in target nations you'd never expect. For instance, some nations will tax your money hard if you try to leave them.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's why the question is more focused on the "yeah leave now or guarantee camps and possibly worst" situation vs let Me call my law firm of Pearson Specter Litt LLC.
Tough situations could blow over but better to not start from nothing.

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

US: The way to effectively do thos is to open a series of accounts, in a tree structure, in countries that aren't CRS compliant. Disperse the money into the structure. This will buy time, mitigating losses in the event of an asset freeze, likely not being caught until FACTA reporting to the IRS. Get the money out ASAP. There's better methods if laws don't matter.

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Coins vs jewelry doesn't matter. Weight and purity are all that count when selling.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you are serious, learn a trade. They will always be in demand.

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[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A few iphones, they tend to have a high demand and prices are stable for a few years.

This is not advice

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you mean by "this is not advice"? You just gave an answer to their request for advice. Your comment is advice.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It only angers your intelligence officials if it is advice. "Not advice" means begging to stay friends. I advise staying friends, overtly, with NSA, to make sure that first they come for others.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lol imagine selling them on the streets of Panama.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Gold is still the preferred way of storing wealth in many parts of the world. You can just take gold bars with you which should have value anywhere.

There are actually limits to what you can bring into/out of a country.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Physically get them out might prove to be a challenge as the customs would definitely question your bags of gold.

[–] katamari_22@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

GOLD JEWELRY

[–] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why not just use something like Wise to hold your cash?

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