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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 157 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

Nah, I think I'm cool if Debian doesn't respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

Yeah what the fuck is with that.

It's a very twitter centric view of the web. If you're not on xitter you're "shutting out a significant portion".

The thing is, it's not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

You'd consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there's not really any decision to be made honestly.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

Last time they seeked input they ignored it and shoved systemd anyway...

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 138 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 month ago

Came here to make this joke. Was an hour too late...

[–] mormund@feddit.org 90 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They can be found on Mastodon here: @debian@framapiaf.org

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In case that link doesn't load for some users: https://framapiaf.org/@debian

[–] underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For now that was just a bot mirroring posts. I don't think they've said whether they'll use that going forward.

[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

It's mirroring micronews.debian.org, not Twitter.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 month ago

Good riddance. Stop using Nazi platforms and join the fediverse instead.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 69 points 1 month ago

When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it's usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.

[–] joshcodes@programming.dev 55 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I keep making the incorrect assumption that everyone has already left X. Just seems common sense we've hit all hands abandon ship

[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's just Debian, always behind.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

ok, that's just hilarious :P

The equivalent of IE being the last one to move to the fediverse lol

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Never underestimate the network effect and how reluctant people are to move to another social network. The masses just follow the crowd, so every big account moving out from there helps take more users away.

[–] joshcodes@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's a shame I haven't seen more YouTubers leaving X, they all seem to use it to talk about whatever they do. Not that I watch a lot of YouTube these days but my family does, younger ones especially watch those minecraft SMP types. Its arguably the most toxic social media but "everyone's on there".

I liked this article about the whole ordeal so I'll share it here: Why You'll Leave X as well as instagram and all other private platforms

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[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn't a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn't "shut out" anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What's the argument here, exactly, from the other side?

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think the argument is that those alternatives already existed before. Twitter was not being prioritized, it was essentially mirroring the content already available in RSS, mastodon, etc. So effectively, there's now one less place where the news will be visible.

However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS, even if it means effectively "shutting off" a portion of users who don't wanna leave the twitter bubble.

[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago

As it turns out, having an account on a social media platform full of Nazis, violent racists, and child diddlers is not good for business.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The reasons (summarized using Copilot):

  • The platform no longer aligns with Debian's values, social contract, code of conduct, and diversity statement.
  • Concerns over X becoming a place where people they care about don't feel safe.
  • Abuse on the platform happening without consequences.
  • Issues with misinformation and lack of moderation.
[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] estranho@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Doesn't look like it... It's 'AI bad'.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI is bad!

We don't need to use all this water and energy just to avoid having to click on news articles.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah I see. This is getting ridiculous.

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[–] usernameusername@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

god, the replies to their tweet are awful...

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is to me one of the major reasons Twitter discourse is completely ruined and the platform is mostly useless for seeing what people think now.

When the only people who get to be at the top of discussions are people who pay for twitter, the only opinions that get shared are those that are pro Twitter, pro Elon, etc. Because they have a direct stake in the game.

And that's if the accounts posting aren't all bots that pay for a checkmark to boost engagement, which is almost all I see when I occasionally have to check Twitter these days.

So glad more people are leaving it. There's nothing to gain from it anymore.

[–] FFF982@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Why politicize everything?

Simps for X (formerly twitter)

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

The replies illustrate the problem nicely.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago

Ah, that captures such a stark answer to why people use xitter though.

It's not "so I can hear from you" it's "So YoU cAn HeAr FrOm Us!!!11oneone"

Walled gardens? More like prison yard. Lol

[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

That first reply highlights a major difference in how people approach the world.

Speaking very generally, conservatism and right wing politics seen to attract those who see everything as a competition and that dominating other people is what it means to be a good person. Funny that it also leads to frustrated, angry, isolated people.

So if we want to switch to using a website that doesn’t promote hurting/killing 2% of the population, we are now BOWING DOWN to the minority some of us would not rather murder.

It’s the same reason they hate DEI so much.

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck X.com, all my homies use wayland.social

[–] jim3692@discuss.online 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not loading for me. Is that instance up?

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Oh, that's sad. See https://mastodon.social/@compositor@wayland.social for some of their posts.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago

If you ask me, this looks like a big possibility, as X/Twitter's evident bias towards the newly established U.S. government and their favoring of one demographic over the other could have set off Debian's move.

That's just me speculating, though. 🙃

No, you got it right. I get that you need to cover your ass to avoid a lawsuit, but it's exactly because a guy who loves the adoration of nazis owns the platform.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago

They were still on Xitter?

[–] Dio@lemy.lol 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

party rock is in the house tonight

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeay, Debian user here who also left Twitter/X for similar reasons. I was already on Mastodon and Bluesky but didn't make a habit out of it. Leaving the bad platform entirely (and having my data archived and searchable) helped a lot.

Glad to hear they moved on!

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

Good job Debian.

[–] TxTechnician@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Fucking awesome

[–] ericjmorey@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately the accounts listed under Social network accounts of Debian teams and Social network accounts of Debian contributors are almost exclusively Twitter accounts.

[–] VandimionDevilChild 3 points 1 month ago

didn't even knew they had an account there, good can't see how twitter could ever be a good fit for Debian values or any person with who care about foss.

[–] Xephonian@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Imagine being so fragile you can't tolerate opposing viewpoints.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

Imagine being so fragile you get shook by people leaving

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

I don't mind opposing views. I do mind views that say some of my family members or some of my friends should kill themselves. I have no business on a platform that allows such hateful conduct, end of story.

It's a matter of basic decency and respect.

[–] Mouette@jlai.lu 4 points 1 month ago

Imagine your view point is aligning with Musk one... You're either a billionaire or a dumb looser thinking is a part of a club he isn't in

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How does one not feel safe on a digital platform? Even if someone physically threatens you, nothing is going to happen to you. And you can block/mute people you don't care for.

[–] KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Digital platforms have promoted genocide. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa16/5933/2022/en/ Blocking people you don't care for would have no impact here.

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