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So what would a fragmented America look like?

Likely similar to America’s early days that repeated itself during the pandemic where the most powerful states were functionally regional authorities. California is the fifth-largest economy in the world. Texas is ninth, bigger than Canada, while New York is eleventh, just ahead of Russia. Florida is the sixteenth largest economy in the world, just behind Mexico, while Illinois is twentieth, just behind Saudi Arabia. Like with the Virginian slave economy of old, smaller states around them would be pulled in by the gravitational force of this power, forming regional governing coalitions along natural economic and social interests.

This splintering doesn’t need a decisive moment where the United States of America all of a sudden is not–it can just be the accelerating result of the degradation of our system we have been watching unfold in real time, as state governments step in to fill the growing void left by the federal government, and one day we all wake up and realize that California is functionally the Western states’ federal government.

But it could be driven by a decisive moment where the American system irrevocably breaks in some way. Imagine a future where California tries to do something really ambitious to try to fight an exceedingly destructive climate crisis, and the Supreme Court tells them they cannot do it. Say California invokes James Madison’s belief, supported by all Supreme Courts before the Roberts Court, that states can defy the Court, and they decide that it’s more important to stop the flames from enveloping their state than to adhere to the partisan whims of a corrupt institution which awarded itself God-like power in the 19th century to functionally declare slavery legal and spark a Civil War. What happens if the fifth-largest economy in the world just goes ahead and does it anyway? Does the Supreme Court send in the army? How does this work?

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[–] jarfil 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Divide and conquer" is a time-proven strategy.

In the EU, we had a respite from people wanting to split up, when the consequences of BREXIT were fresh in their memory, but it's starting to be forgoten and new splitters are coming up. No coincidence that Trump invited them all to his inauguration.

From an egotistical point of view, I hope it happens to the US as a wakeup call for EU... but hard times are coming for everyone.

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 2 points 14 hours ago

@jarfil EU exit popularity differs from country to country. Here in Romania, even the far right noticed this is a hugely unpopular subject and tries to tame it's discourse (i.e. we do need the EU, but we have to not bow our heads to whatever the EU is telling us - whatever that thing means)

@alyaza

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 6 points 1 day ago

@alyaza seems like this is no longer a fantasy.

It will be a huge blow to the world if America basically splits apart, with shockwaves going all around the planet.

I do not think that the states will hold their place on the global rank though. Most of the states economy is aided specially because of the fact that they are a part of the same federation. The fact that the "states" are basically just provinces of the same country and you can travel without internal border checks. Otherwise, in a scenario where states are going to be real countries, companies would also need a presence in each of the said state. And this is not something most will be likely to do, hurting the states economy in the process.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg!