this post was submitted on 05 Jan 2025
444 points (100.0% liked)

Privacy

800 readers
55 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I have never liked Apple and lately even less. F.... US monopolies

top 42 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

1 million is pocket change for the trilionaire class.

[–] jimp@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

It’s a symbolic pro-rape gesture in my eyes

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Filipdaflippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I should stock up on tissues

[–] MikeOxlong@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

"I want to masturbate to leaked pictures of celebrities" is probably the creepiest reaction to this article I can imagine.

For-profit companies are perpetually locked in a conflict of interest. Inevitably, they will have to decide between what is in the best interest of their users (or other public interests such as the environment for example) with their never-ending obsession to make ever more money. No matter what they say or do publicly, they will always sell out for more profit.

In this case, a bunch of Silicon Valley investors (people who have collectively made trillions over every iteration of IT progress) are forcing "AI" to be the next thing. They have basically decided that they want all tech progress to focus on this area and are forcing every company they invest in to make that happen, regardless of the societal impact.

As a result, you can see clearly that all of these companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Reddit) are basing all their business decisions into trying to make this fantasy become a reality. Even Apple now, the masters of creating a facade of privacy is falling straight into line. And the one thing they all have in common: investors.

And that is why you should always be wary of interacting with big business interests - they will inevitably sell you out someday.

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

An opt-out that you can't opt out of because Apple already opted you in and took your photos?

This seems like it is going to be a huge lawsuit. Since a class action won't deter them or help us, let's all sue Apple individually in small claims court and kill them by death from a billion cuts.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not saying that it shouldn't be illegal and it's shady as fuck, but GDPR opt-outs are usually retroactive, meaning you can remove consent from data they've already processed, and they have to retroactively scrub your personal data out.

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

If they did this in Europe, I would argue it is a GDPR violation and it would be impossible for Apple to remove the data they collected. I hope the EU fines Apple out the nose for this.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

According to another comment, the photos never leave your device, that part of the processing is done on-device. The global index is on Apple servers.

[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Nothing but depressing news for common people all around.

[–] M33@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago

Ease of use vs all the rest, as usual

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a cool idea: certain approaches to encryption still allow math to be performed. Here's one example: say you encrypt data X with algorithm Z. then you could multiply Z by four, which would also multiply X by four. So you can run computations on the encrypted data without decrypting it.

It would be quite complex, but I suppose you could run a machine learning model this way to tag images without ever seeing the image, or knowing the resulting tag. Only the decryption key can be used read the results (which is on the user's iphone, I suppose).

However... I don't know how much compute cost this adds to an already expensive computation. The encryption used might not be the strongest out there. But the idea is pretty cool!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don’t know how much compute cost this adds to an already expensive computation.

At that scale and because they do pay for servers I bet they did the math and are constantly optimizing the process as they own the entire stack. They might have somebody who worked on the M4 architecture give them hint on how to do so. Just speculating here but arguably they are in a good position to make this quite efficient, even though in fine if it's actually worth the ecological costs is arguable.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I bet they did the math

Did they? Because it seems like everyone else is in a hype bubble and doesn't give a shit about how much this costs or how much money it makes.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Looks like they did "Brakerski-Fan-Vercauteren (BFV) HE scheme, which supports homomorphic operations that are well suited for computation (such as dot products or cosine similarity) on embedding vectors that are common to ML workflows" namely they use a scheme that is both secure and efficient specifically for the kind of compute they do here. https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/homomorphic-encryption

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Their chips are pretty good at not drawing much power. But then you also get to the balance of power cost, computing power and physical space.

Google and Microsoft are already building their own power generation systems for even faster AI slop. That would make power a lot cheaper, and super efficient chips might not be the best answer.

I don't know which way Apple will go, except further up their own behind. But either way, these are some really cool approaches to implementing this technology, and I hope they keep it up!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Yep, reading their blog post to read a bit better. I don't like that it's enabled by default, especially despite iCloud off (which should be a signal to say the user does NOT want data leaving their device) but considering what others are doing, this seems like the best trade off.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"does this even if you’ve already opted out of uploading your photos to iCloud." damn that's a bit much!

Edit; in this thread, people who miss the point of homomorphic encryption to dunk (sadly often rightfully so) on Apple.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] prex@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

(validate-width: too wide for anyone seeing a blank comment)

[–] prex@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Dammit jerboa.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

seeing a blank comment, what do I do with that information to fix it?

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Mob the user and tell them to use a different client, or co-opt their local elections by force and demand it.

I don't even get it. Like, make a pop up with a short blurb explaining the feature. Most users will probably opt in, and you don't piss off the ones that don't want this.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Enhanced Visual Search in Photos allows you to search for photos using landmarks or points of interest. Your device privately matches places in your photos to a global index Apple maintains on our servers. We apply homomorphic encryption and differential privacy, and use an OHTTP relay that hides [your] IP address. This prevents Apple from learning about the information in your photos. You can turn off Enhanced Visual Search at any time on your iOS or iPadOS device by going to Settings > Apps > Photos. On Mac, open Photos and go to Settings > General.

Apple did explain the technology in a technical paper published on October 24, 2024, around the time that Enhanced Visual Search is believed to have debuted. A local machine-learning model analyzes photos to look for a "region of interest" that may depict a landmark. If the AI model finds a likely match, it calculates a vector embedding – an array of numbers – representing that portion of the image.

So it's local. And encrypted. How is this really news? Am I missing something?

[–] padge@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

AI bad grrrrr

[–] rollinghills@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

$1m to Trump and now this!

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 7 points 1 month ago

This is data stealing?

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What does F.... stand for?

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

I love how Apple advertises "Privacy by default" but they do this

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My iPhone 13 mini will be my last iPhone. They lost me when it turned out they donate to illegal settlements in the West Bank. This is just more fuel to the fire.

[–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] drwho 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Supposedly. Whether or not it actually works is a different matter.

[–] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

You could propably monitor web traffic from an another device on the same network. As far as i know, Wireshark can do this, maybe nmap too

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Afterwards.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Dammit! You WILL use this tech we spent billions on whether you want to or not.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

once again having an old as fudge iphone has paid off

if only i could have kept my iphone 5 working i could still be using headphones

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

I still have my iPhone 6s as a backup for travel. Works fine. Replaced the screen 3x, battery 2x. Still kicking.