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Context: Lemmy still allow people to comment on your posts or comments after you blocked them:

https://lemmy.world/comment/13548025

https://bsky.social/about/blog/5-19-2023-user-faq

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

blocking on mastodon, that user ceases to exist, and is no longer able to see, vote, or comment on your content. on mastodon, blocking is blocking

on lemmy/mbin, blocking only serves to mask that users content, though they are still able to see, vote, comment, and mine your content for descriptive data which can, has, and will lead to doxxing

"blocking" on lemmy/mbin is dangerous misnamed bullshit

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 months ago

no, it functions as it should.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't get why the distinction matters. From your view, it doesn't have an impact, does it?

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 1 points 3 months ago

How about we have some control over people cyber stalking us? Especially from trolls and bad actors

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would prefer if people I block couldn't see anything I post

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Err... you know all these comments are posted publicly and anyone can view them, right?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At least on Twitter before Elon changed things, the same thing applied, tweets were public but you could still block people.

Currently, X displays a “You’re blocked” message when trying to view the profile of a person who’s blocked you. In addition to blocking all posts, it also prevents you from seeing their replies, media, followers, and following list.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Did twitter have private accounts?

[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah locked accounts are pretty commonly used in conjuncture with public accounts.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I can't see them. I can only assume TheAlbatross has blocked me.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Who said that?

[–] scott@authorship.studio 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@TheAlbatross

I would prefer if people I block couldn’t see anything I post

One of the problems is that if the post is public, anyone you block could just log out and see your post.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Hmmm you're right. Okay.

I would prefer if people I block were hurt a little.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wowww this comment says a lot. Have you ever considered that if you were given the ability to 'hurt' people who you think deserve it, that other people could use that same ability to 'hurt' people who dont deserve it? Maybe stop focusing on retaliation for dumb internet disagreements and go touch some grass.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh no no no you don't get it, I should be the sole arbiter of pain on this website.

Other people can't do it just meeee

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There is value to the blocked person not being able to find out in any way, whether you've blocked them.

And if they really want to see your content, on federated social media, where you can't enforce a login requirement to view the content, they'll always be able to find your content if they really want to.

Stopping them from being able to comment on your posts would be nice, tho. Even better if they can comment, but it doesn't show up for you or anyone else.

Implementing such a block would be tricky, though. It is not as simple as community bans, as communities are always governed by their home instance.

If you post or comment in a community that isn't local, someone from a third instance could interact with that content without ever communicating with your home instance.

It can still be done, but it's a much more involved implementation than community bans.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even better if they can comment, but it doesn't show up for you or anyone else.

This would be abused. Imagine I post some manipulated fake news or something. Then I block every single person who points out the bullshit in my post so no one sees it.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, but how would blocks removing comments from your posts for everyone, including the blocked user, be any different? That could be abused in the exact same way.

If you're saying blocks should only prevent future comments, this could by all means also work the same way.

The point is that it should work like a shadow ban, and not be obvious to the person you blocked. That discourages them from immediately coming at you with an alt.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The block most platforms use is that if you block someone, none of you can see each others contributions, but your past interactions are still visible to everyone.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I know.

But when did I suggest past activity should be affected, which is what you replied about?

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It wasn’t clear to me in your comment but you were suggesting it wouldn’t be retroactive?

If so, then sounds okay, as long as the person knows they have been blocked, would suck to write a well written comment in reply to someone who blocked you, and unknowingly your comment is hidden for everyone because you don’t realise you were blocked.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Why would it be retroactive?

If so, then sounds okay, as long as the person knows they have been blocked, would suck to write a well written comment in reply to someone who blocked you, and unknowingly your comment is hidden for everyone because you don’t realize you were blocked.

That's exactly what should happen. If someone can just instantly know when they get blocked, nothing stops them from instantly signing up with alt account to continue bitching at someone.

This is less of an issue with centralized social media, but with federation you absolutely should take measures like this to curb at least some portion of targeted harassment.

And if you bothered someone enough for them to block you, not being allowed to stand on their soapbox anymore (not being able to make comments on their posts visible to everyone else) is a really weird thing to worry about.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 17 points 3 months ago

I don't think this type of block makes sense for a more forum-like environment. In fact I think it's more absuable for bad actors to be able to conceal their rhetoric from anyone they know would oppose it.

[–] rarbg@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago

IDK, seems like blocking behaving like that on Lemmy could backfire, actually encouraging abuse.

For example. What happens if someone being malicious blocks you and then starts talking shit about you elsewhere in the comment thread? The person being abused would never know.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is one of the major gripes I have with Reddit. So often do people just block me when they are losing a debate against me, making it impossible to reply. A public forum should not behave this way if you want a healthy debate culture

[–] srecko@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just a short hypothetical: You start this thread or even top level vomment and I don't agree with you. Then I reply something and block you immediatelly after. That could be another tool for trolls, but I guess there could be some solutions that fix this problem.

(Not dissagreeing with the OP, just brainstorming)

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

I had a mod do that to me. They replied to my comment with a bunch of false accusations, then deleted my comment and banned me from the community. So, all the people saw was my username with all the accusations below, and I couldn't respond. I just blocked the whole instance and moved on.

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

This happened to me once on reddit. God I was pissed off cause they were spreading lies about me and I couldn't say anything.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They wield the instance ban hammer for themselves, while tools for the common plebes are lower priority:-P.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If only plebes could defederate 😂

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself - I already have:-).

I'm not kidding btw, PieFed lets you do it, as too do the Sync and Connect apps, I hear. Mbin and base Lemmy do not, nor the other apps e.g. Voyager. The Fediverse is really growing, beyond its original limitations and reaching new horizons!:-)

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I meant letting a user defederate the whole server, for everyone haha

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago

I mean... if you mean a user making that choice for everyone else on their instance, then no - boooo, I wouldn't want that. If you don't want ~~an abortion~~ a defederation, then don't get one, simple as that.

But if you mean being able to block every single user from an entire instance, a true "instance block" rather than a mere "communities mute", then yeah, that's legit what I meant. Personally, I blocked all users from lemmy.ml that way. Though by far the more major effect was probably my piefed.social instance having defederated from hexbear.net, whereas my prior one at discuss.online had not.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I really don't think blocking should prevent people from replying to you. I believe it should hide the content and not send you notifications, yes.

At the bare minimum, blocking should only prevent you from directly replying. On Reddit, if anyone in the comment chain above the comment you're replying to had blocked you then you couldn't make the comment.

I'm willing to discuss this, my opinions aren't rock solid on this.

In cases of harassment (what I view as the strongest counter argument) I think mods/admin need to take action by banning. Like if someone puts a comment on every post I make saying "JackbyDev is a doodoo head" (or something actually offensive lol) then that's harassment. I'm having trouble thinking of any problematic behaviors that wouldn't qualify as harassment that allowing someone to comment in reply to would actually prevent.

(None of this comment has anything to do with blocking an instance which is a separate topic I have separate opinions on.)

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago

In cases of harassment (what I view as the strongest counter argument) I think mods/admin need to take action by banning. Like if someone puts a comment on every post I make saying “JackbyDev is a doodoo head” (or something actually offensive lol) then that’s harassment. I’m having trouble thinking of any problematic behaviors that wouldn’t qualify as harassment that allowing someone to comment in reply to would actually prevent.

I mod several communities. We are lacking mods, and we can't have eyes on the communities 24/7. Allowing users to have this kind of blocking helps.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

I think i agree. My opinion isn't rock solid either but if i block someone who is harassing me, the most important thing to me is just that i don't get notified and i never see that content or children of those comments. I see too much room for abuse if those blocked users can't interact with my posts at all (view/vote/comment).

[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago

blocking has always worked really well for me, but I mainly use it to filter what content I see. while it is a bummer that you can't block people commenting on your posts, can't say I've ever been bothered by the comments.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 3 months ago
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

Just make alts. Anything on the fediverse is up for debate