Okay so what do I buy? Guns aren't cool to me and I want one for my camper and one for my house.
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What do you wish to use them for? Do you intend to carry full-time? Do you want to hunt?
General home defense? 12ga shotgun.
Home defense but not a fan of a shotgun frankly
An AR15 or a pistol caliber carbine are my go to recommendations for home defence because with a rifle stock you will be more accurate & faster.
Ok, if no shotgun then get a 9mm or .45 pistol. I prefer 9mm because it is generally lighter. I have a glock 17 that I like.
Could someone explain this to non-gunowners?
.22lr is a common, low-powered round that can be lethal, but is not quickly or reliably so. For self defense, you want something that will incapacitate your assailant as quickly and reliably as possible. 9mm is usually considered the "sweet spot" for using a handgun to defend against human assailants.
It's bad when a gun doesn't fire when you pull the trigger, but it's FAR WORSE when a gun does fire when you don't pull the trigger. Taurus semi-automatic handguns sometimes fall into the latter category.
The worst I've heard about Hi-Point guns is that they're unergonomic. They're probably the "best of bad options", but I don't have any direct experience with them.
Hi-Points, in my experience, are alright function wise; but are also oversized, unergonomic bricks.
Taurus and Hipoint are bottom of the barrel cheap brands, and 22lr is one of the smallest calibers with very little stopping power.
No, Hi-Point makes the highest quality wares in the world. Everyone knows this. Ah, but they could never match the venerable USFA Zip.
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Unless you get a clean headshot.
Counterpoint: they're a bad last resort in that they may or may not shoot well (or at all), but in the leadup, where showing you're armed as intimidation, they're as good as any other.
You're not entirely wrong, since in theory these guns can fire and can kill.
However, it should be noted that it's very dangerous to carry a gun that you can't or won't fire, for the purpose of brandishing it. If you encounter someone else that has a gun, brandishing a gun yourself is likely to prompt them to shoot you (and gives them legal cover), when they might not have otherwise done so.
You're right. My use case scenario was pretty far down the 'run, hide, fight' list of options.
Pepper spray would be much higher on my list of reasonable measures. Basically brandishing these would be limited to effectively a last ditch effort.
I wouldn't describe my actions in a self-defense incident as intimidation.
My word choice was a poor fit at best, but i couldn't find the right words.
It's closer to aposematism, but still not quite there.
at that point I'd rather use a .25 PCP and get legal automatic AND save my eardrums.