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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

If this is shitposting, I don't understand what is shitposting anymore.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 24 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

oh yeah sure. expanding overtime rights, over the counter birth control, getting rid of junk fees, clarifying the vice presidents role in certifying elections as ministerial, funding infrastructure while simultaneously stimulating energy efficiency and renewables, forcing airlines to refund canceled flights, fighting for loan forgiveness extensively as well as to put a stop to non compete clauses. nothing for the working class though as this does not hit specific things I find important so lets just go worse in all possible ways because thats a solid plan.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Courts struck down half of that, only two of those things benefit the working class, and you included something Biden explicitly did not accomplish as an achievement.

I know copium is a hell of a drug and you liberals will be overdosing within a year, but do take queues from California and hide your drug habit.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

the courts striking down is exactly why its better to make progress and yes he did still have to work with congress. If in 4 years a dem gets in then 8 years folks will complain that there will be no progress from today but will put a blind eye to having caught back up from the next 4 years of regression. A good example is the biden approved x permit for drilling on lands. lands open to drilling under trump. lands can be protected or taken out of protection but once out the president can't arbitrailly not allow permits.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The president actually can. It's an executive decision.

Biden also opened up lands that Trump didn't, so you really can't use that as an excuse for your far right neoliberal hack.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Its disengenous. They can and the response would be lawsuits because drilling is allowed and they are playing favorites with one particular company. They can if they have some sort of grounds but doing so for no reason is the type of abuse of power trump does. Allowing more drilling actually came out of the climate reduction act and was a compromise to get the good parts passed, because, you guessed it. Republicans.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What or whom exactly is this post for ?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

It's leftist agitprop showcasing the failures of the DNC for disaffected liberals.

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

republicans: we will shit on the working class

tankies: omg, dems so bad

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Reps: we will crap on the working class

Dems: we will crap on the working class ✨

Leftists: The Dems don't actually help the working class, both parties derive their power and legitimacy from their donors, wealthy Capitalists. They function as businesses that sell policy to the highest bidder. We need a revolution in order for the people to have a real say.

Liberals: Shut up, tankie!

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

"no, I don't want slow progress, I'd rather have no progress at all"

"what do you mean voting is just a tiny part of making the world a better place, it is completely useless"

"what? ofc I support the working class! I called someone on lemmy a lib for saying trump bad yesterday"

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The Democrats are not "slow progress," nor are Republicans "no progress." Both are decay, decline, dying Capitalism in a crumbling Empire. There is no progress to be had with either of them. Voting isn't a tiny part of making the world a better place, it's less than the bare minimum required to enact positive change.

If you understand that Capitalism must decay, and that the US is the world's worst Empire, then you understand that the only way to progress is revolution. Pretending that Leftists "prefer Trump" just showcases that you don't understand the core problem. That your profile banner is an Anarchist flag yet you argue against revolution means leftism is cosplay for you.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 10 points 9 hours ago

how has slow progress worked for you in the last hundred years

Progress has not only slowed down but gotten worse. Workers today are working longer hours for less pay then in a very long time all while their paycheck goes less then it has, meanwhile Kamala promised to make things even worse.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CovertGogurt@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You work within the system until you can get the change you want. By throwing your hands up you...ugh why even bother.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago

are you getting the change you want by working within the system?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

If you can't get necessary change by working within the system then you must work outside it and replace it.

[–] Tiltinyall 2 points 9 hours ago

Soo... How out of the box is this Socialist construct? You're not outside any formerly eatablished paradigm. And it wasn't even a popular one at any time in history. No one that has been through it goes, "Hmm maybe we just didn't try hard enough at it, let's get internet Leftists to rock our world." Fucking joke it is.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

100% agree with you. But I would counter and say changing it from the outside/replacing it is a last resort as it will lead to complete instability while things get sorted - this is exactly what Putin wants.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago

The US is the world's main exporter of death and destruction on the Global South, instability in the US would do the majority of the world a massive favor. Putin would probably rejoice, sure, but so would all the nations in the Global South.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago

Republicans are garbager and yet....

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 3 points 10 hours ago

I know that there is always more that could be done, but did the infrastructure bill, the chips bill, and the inflation reduction act count toward helping the middle class?

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And thanks to non voters you will never have a chance to get a better candidate since now free elections in america are a thing of the past. Congrats. Because you do your "both sides" garbage you destroyed any hope of improvement.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

American elections were never free, and the fact that the Harris campaign failed to bring out voters is the fault of the Democrats, not the voters.

Either way, revolution was always required to actually get meaningful change.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I was about to argue how you were wrong and then saw the lemmy.ml lmao A russian bootlicker talking about free elections is too ironic for me to take serious

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Russian Bootlicker? In what way? Are you just trying to invent ways to not actually deal with Leftist analysis? Go for it, try to argue against a Leftist.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I am an actual leftist. Lemmy.ml are tankies who kiss the asses of fascists like Putin and Xi

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I think you need to take a step back and think for a moment. Putin and Xi exist in entirely different economic systems, Putin in a Neoliberal Capitalist economy and Xi in a Socialist Market Economy, calling both "fascist" just displays ignorance towards what makes up fascism. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti.

Secondly, calling yourself "an actual Leftist" and using the word "tankie" without irony is goofy. Marxism is a real branch of Leftism, Anarchism doesn't have a monopoly on Leftist politics. If you want to learn more about Marxism, I made an introductory reading list on Marxism-Leninism. It even has Blackshirts and Reds in section 1.

Thirdly, the idea that Marxists "kiss the ass" of Xi and Putin is silly. Going against the western narrative doesn't mean worshipping anything going against it.

Really, all this reads as you trying to avoid having to tackle with Leftist ideas and stay in the bubble of liberalism.

[–] Icecreamface@lemmy.ml 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They all fuck us. Doesn't matter what color tie they wear.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Ha ha #bothSides . still?!?

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 10 hours ago

yes... both sides fuck us over for the benefit of theirs ruling/owner class.

[–] Icecreamface@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 hours ago

They alienated the middle class so badly that trump won. You should be upset with them too.