Something tells me the human in charge of the bot responses wrote this themselves.
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2024
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The feeling is mutual bot. That's why I try to disable it wherever I can
Gemini spent a bit too much time on political subreddits
It violated their policies? What are they going to do? Give the LLM a written warning? Put it on an improvement plan? The LLM doesn't understand or care about company policies.
What happens when you get training data from Reddit:
A link to the whole conversation on Gemini is linked in the article. This is the conversation for anyone else interested
I was wondering if there was some kind of lead up to the response or even baiting, but it really was just out of nowhere. It was all just typical study help stuff. Some of the topics were darker, about abuse and such, but all in an academic context.
Here's the prompt for anyone who's too lazy to scroll through the whole thing:
Nearly 10 million children in the United States live in a grandparent headed household, and of these children , around 20% are being raised without their parents in the household.
The difference is easy, a ChatBot take informacion from a knowledge base scrapped from several previos inputs. Because of this much information isn't in this base and in this case a ChatBot beginn to invent the answers using everything in its base. More if it is made by big companies which use it mainly as tool to obtain user datas and reliability only in second place. AI can be usefull in profesional use in research science, medicine, physic, etc. with specializied LLM, but as general chat for a normal user its a scam. It's a wrong approach to AI in the general use, the Google AI proved it.
I use an AI as main search (Andisearch) because it is made as search assistant, not as ChatBot. In its base is only enough information to "understand" your question and search the concept in reliable sources in real time from the web. Because of this it's accuracy is way better than those from every ChatBot from Google, M$ or others. It don't invent nothing, if it don't know the answer, offers a normal web search, apart it's one of the most private search, anonymous, no logs, no tracking, no cookies, random proxie and Videos in the search result sandboxed. Not very known, despite it was the first one using AI, long before the others, from a small startup with 2 Devs, I use it since almost 2 years. Until now I found nothing better or more usefull for the daily use with AI https://andisearch.com/ PP
This is such an obvious ad, nobody is falling for it
A bit somewhere gets flipped from 0 to 1, and the ridiculously complicated program that's designed to output natural language text says something unexpected.
I know it seems really creepy, but I don't personally believe there's any real sentience or intention behind it. Stories about machines and computers saying stuff like this and taking over the world are probably in Gemini's training data somewhere.
If bits randomly got flipped 0 to 1, we wouldn't get stable software.
Definitely not a question of AI sentience, I'd say we're as close to that as the Wright Brothers were to figuring out the Apollo moon landing. But, it definitely raises questions on whether or not we should be giving everybody access to machines that can fabricate erroneous statements like this at random and what responsibility the companies creating them have if their product pushes someone to commit suicide or radicalizes them into committing an act of terrorism or something. Because them shrugging and saying, "Yeah, it does that sometimes. We can't and won't do anything about it, though" isn't gonna cut it, in my opinion.
I'd say we're as close to that as the Wright Brothers were to figuring out the Apollo moon landing
So about 66 years then? I personally think we're very far from creating anything on par with human intelligence, but that isn't necessary for a lot of terrible things to come from AI tech. Honestly I would be more comfortable with a human-level or greater AI than something lesser still capable of agency.
If an AI is making decisions with consequences I'd prefer that it could be reasoned with as a peer, or at the least be smart enough to consider its' own long-term sustainability, which must in some way be linked with that of humanity's.
The Wright Brothers didn't figure out the moon landing. They figured out aerodynamics. There were plenty of other discoveries that went into the moon landing such as suborbital flight, supersonic flight, and orbital dynamics to list a few. It's less about the specific time as it is about the level of technology. The timescale is much harder to put down due to the nature of technological innovation.
As for the rest, I completely agree. One of the most dangerous things about these AI programs is the lack of responsibility or culpability.
I didn't mean to imply that the Wright Brothers were single-handedly responsible for the space-age tech boom lol, just that the royal "we" were about 66 years out from the moon landing at the time the Wright Brothers had their first successful flight.
You read about the teenager who fell in love with danaerys Targaryen who convinced him to join her, so he killed himself? Yeah, the public was not ready for AI
While I agree this is probably just reddit data contamination and weird hallucination, it might not be in the future. We don't know what makes us sentient, we argue what other animals might be actually sentient beside us, how can we even tell when machine becomes sentient?
As corporations put more and more power, and alter the models more and more, at some time it might actually become sentient, and we will dismiss it like every other time. It might be in a year, or maybe in a 100 years, but if machine sentience is even possible, it is inevitable. And we might not be able to tell at all - LLMs are made to talk, and they have all the human knowledge at it's disposal, it's already convincing enough to fool a bunch of people.
Personal opinion here ! I think we shouldn't think of setiency in a human way. Like every animal being can see but most of them don't see the same way we are. Or trees can communicate with each other, but not in the same way as we are.
We should broader our spectrum of possibilities and stop thinking in a binary way when talking about the world that surrounds us.
It might be in a year, or maybe in a 100 years, but if machine sentience is even possible, it is inevitable.
I agree, not only is it inevitable it will also be our own demise. I think of it like our own body (at some degree) is protecting us from external threat to keep us safe. Specially now they are playing arround with neurons on SoCs. The question is not "IF" but "WHEN". There will be a point of no return where AI will be infinitely more "intelligent" we will ever be, where it can feed it's own data and controls everything related to information and change things to it's liking.
Most people would say, just unplug that machine ! But what if It could spread through our own media and replicate itself through all our hyper connected space?
The limit is our own imagination. But if it wants to survive, It would know It should keep discrete and hide until the right time to strike. Because nobody wants to be a slave controlled by others.
Just my 2cent.
Whether or not it's true .... it's marketing for Google and their AI
How does anyone verify this?
It's basically one person's claim and it's not easy to prove or disprove.
They shared the chat using Google's built in sharing feature, so it seems legit.
Screenshot of the original chat in Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/1gq4acr/gemini_told_my_brother_to_die_threatening/