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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

American. Fascism isn't a model to copy, but a defense mechanism of dying Capitalism. Its consistencies are which classes it serves, how it forms, and how to stop it. Read Blackshirts and Reds.

[–] xilliah 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate a bit? A book is too much for me.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

The first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds is the most important for understanding fascism, it will take maybe 20 minutes and would be far clearer than any Lemmy comment string. However, the broad running theme with fascism is that, similar to to Communism and Socialism, it rises with Capitalist decay. The difference is that fascism is supported by the Capitalist ruling classes against the rising organization of workers, and as such has institutional support. It isn't a hard and fast ideology to be adopted, but a defense mechanism the ruling classes deploy to retain power, violently.

[–] le_throosh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

More like Russia probably. Oligarchic capitalism + christian fundamentalist values.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the US? Probably Hungary, with a bit of Germany or Chile mixed in because Trump is too dumb to be Orban successfully.

The exact breakdown between the two is hard to say in advance.

[–] detectivemittens 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Assuming Trump will be around. His cognitive decline has been steep, and he’s just been a convenient vehicle for others to gain power. I wouldn’t be surprised if they invoked the 25th Amendment.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but which one gets to rule next? That's why monarchy has been so successful - the king's firstborn my be a moron, but there's (roughly) guaranteed only one, and palace intrigue under a difficult-to-directly-challenge figurehead is a Nash equilibrium.

Unless he dies in the first year or two it doesn't change the possible outcomes too much, I don't think he'll be immediately ousted and things go back to normal, which is kind of what you're getting at.

[–] averyminya 1 points 1 week ago

I doubt the conservatives will restructure the American government. When Trump dies, if it's in office, J.D. Vance will be president.

If they continue with Project 2025, well, then I guess Christians will never have to vote again.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago

America has already used all of the tools of fascism before, often to greater extremes. Lebensraum found its inspiration in Manifest Destiny, for example.

Expect to see things you have seen before, but now with clearer eyes. When Dems want to double their police forces and tighten preparedness of the national guard instead of maintaining or increasing social spending, recognize that the boots they are lacing are intended for your necks.

[–] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US has arguably been fascist since the 1940s.

Fascism always comes in the flavor of the country it installs itself in, because it always has some tie to "traditional values" and/or origin myths. And note that if your values have been about fair redistribution and equality and social justice for 50+ years, that's almost 2 generations, so also "traditional" and may also be used for the purity tests that become so frequent in fascist societies e.g. "Oh, you didn't go to the anti- protest? You just don't care about improving as a nation.". Then comes the very common "with us or against us" trope and of course, the most relevant element of them all, the enemy. Those who are not to be considered human and are stopping the country from reaching its full potential.

Right now for the US right that would be maybe illegal immigrants and maybe whatever ethnic/sexual/gender minorities and vulnerable populations there's a conservative moral panic about.

For the US left of today that would be white males, the rich, right wing extremists, and maybe people who support the nation of Israel.

Fascism is already in the US. It's just bipartisan.