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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not disagreeing that the US does a lot of fuckery in the middle east but I think it's ultimately the UK that started the mess.

EDIT: West Texas is pretty empty. Israel can have it all.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That mess is older than even the UK. The Ottoman Empire cobbled together peoples who didn’t have anything to do with each other way earlier.

Random Youtube video that I’m parrotting without double-checking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4mnVLP0rU

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Youtube videos are a disaster in historical accuracy.

The Ottoman empire was stable. They had beef with Armenia. But that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

The empire was not a beacon of wealth but it was nothing like the crackpot the middle east has turned into since British and French colonialism.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

The Ottomans were quite permissive of other cultures, you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

After the British conspired to incite uprisings in the Ottomans, that's when they came down hard on their subjects to quell any further uprisings (it didn't work)

I still think its fair to blame whoever is responsible for allowing the current Israel to be founded. Just should not have happened.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Judging by the downvotes, a lot of Lemmitors have no idea how the world works. Just living in the Marvel Cinematic Universe—must be nice.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 8 points 1 week ago
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

This is a shit shitpost.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Well too be fair, Lawrence of Arabia tapped into existing resentment up forment his revolt

There's always been differing interests in the middle east, whether it's religious, ethnic or something else. To say otherwise takes away from the agency of the people living there

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

We kind of did create israel in utah. But for people who thought Jesus came over to America with the pilgrims and that they have magic underwear that will shield them from harm rather than for the people who thought that their God told them to cut part of their kids' penises off, they couldn't eat shellfish, and used to commit genocides on the reg but has inexplicably stopped for the last couple thousand years or so.

At one point, Grand Island (NY) was proposed as a Jewish homeland. Definitely not enough room.

Definitely way too many people in Utah. The environment here is stressed. Not even talking about the political environment. Already way too many religious extremists.

same reason theres no sunday 'day of the week' panties. because god

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