Are there any non-JavaScript websites left?
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Surprisingly, a lot. And usually they're the more informative and less commercial ones.
Most websites that only show a "please enable Javascript" banner I just leave again. Very few I do need, for those I have a key combo that starts a window manager with maximized Firefox on another TTY.
Neocities.org
Websites from alternative networks such as Onion, Freenet, I2P and GNUnet, where speed and privacy are a must-have. Onion webchats, for example, uses neverending-loading with iframes/HTML frames (and another frame/iframe with a standard HTML form), so to not depend on JS.
At the surface web (clearnet), however, it's harder to find. Even the remaining old sites, from blogosphere and personal tilde websites (those whose URL contained a tilde "~" followed by an username) have some degree of JS.
Even the remaining old sites, from blogosphere and personal tilde websites (those whose URL contained a tilde "~" followed by an username) have some degree of JS.
Although those websites usually work totally fine without js
Welcome back to 1985 I guess. Now you're going to need a green phosphor CRT and a dot matrix printer.
I'd prefer a dot matrix printer over whatever the fuck HP makes now.
I doubt it. They make a hell of a noise and print at a rate of characters per second not pages per second. The ribbons suffered from similar issues as cassette tapes (the other ribbons that we had to deal with). The ribbon would dry out if not used for a few days and you'd waste paper and a lot of time.
DM printers were ideal in the guise of "line printers" - the big old IBM jobbies that munched through A3 landscape fan fold at ridiculous speeds. Home printers like the Epson FX80 or RX80 were at least affordable. I still remember the manual of our RX80 congratulating us on buying it and exhorting me to hug the printer on unpacking it. I suspect the Japanese to English translation might not have been the best.
We had to get a Centronics interface board stuffed into our C64 and get it working (sacrifice a chicken on a waxing gibbous moon night, etc)
It worked better on my 80286 box, some years later. I had to set it up in each application - Harvard Graphics, Word Perfect, Super Calc.
In around 1991 I was able to buy a 80486 based beastie, thanks to gift from granddad. In around 1993 I was given a HP LJ 4P so I could print out proofs for a Plymouth (Devon) tourist tat thing.
Nowadays I have a fairly elderly HPE MFP five toner humming away at home. Its on a VLAN that doesn't get to see the internet. It just works. I won't be "upgrading" it for the foreseeable future.
My mom used to have an epson lx-300+ printer for her small shop, and it was awesome. We printed a lot of stuff and the ribbon lasted for ages. This was my only experience with dot matrix printers, and it was a nice one.
I think that may have just been a cultural translation issue. I can very much believe the original Japanese text did in fact suggest to hug your printer, especially back then.
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My Epson RX80's ribbon is somewhere in landfill. The Commodore 64 however is all good and now sports a USB interface with more storage than the poor thing can possibly ever use. The Quickshot II joystick still works too.
1984ish was when the C64 was bought by my dad, from the NAAFI in Rheindahlen (West Germany, as was).
Picture the scene:
Me and brother fly home from UK to probably Dusseldorf at the end of the winter term. Its December in the mid '80s. Every now and then, Russia sends a Tupolev Bear or Badger to chug along overhead. The US sends a YR-71 over the USSR at multiples of the speed of sound. The Cold War was quite unpleasant to live through. Its quite chilly, snow tyres on the car, chains in the boot. The autobahn has the usual psychotic bunch of lane two and three drivers. Lane one generally runs at around 90mph (yes, even back in the '80s)
We get to home at the time (we move every two years or so - it is the way of things). Dad shows off the new gadget. He plugs the power lead into the video port.
Some weeks after we have gone back to school for the spring term, the C64 is returned from the menders. We get to use it in the Easter hols. It travelled to the UK and back to DE several times and also to Cyprus (WSBA). The QS II took a serious battering thanks to Daley Thompson's decathalon.
I got it re-capped in 2019, which was all that needed doing. They were rather well made ...
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I may get hate for this, but... I do this a fair bit because I prefer TUIs for a lot of stuff, and also end up doing a lot of things in emacs because I usually have it open anyway...
Thank you for this. aerc is going to save my sanity.
It's awesome. Seeing aerc getting an update always makes me smile.
And it actually lets me set up multiple IMAP/SMTP accounts without sacrificing a chicken to the Unix Philosophers.
I wouldn't recommend skipping the offering, but purely from a technical standpoint it is unnecessary.
Sometimes it's nice to put the ADHD away and just have simple fucking interfaces without all the stupid distractions.
This was my exact experience browsing the Social Media on gemini:// -- it was glorious how less can actually be more.
I'd love to put the ADHD away sometimes :(
image editing
imagemagick for basic transformations/compression/conversions, CLI (locally hosted) AI for the shops
I'm a photographer and edit my own photos. I'm not gonna outsource that to an AI.
What about the Lynx browser...it's TTY isn't it..?
yes it only shows the filename of an image. But you can set it up to open images in an external image viewer when you click on it.
Nowt wrong with a tty interface. All you need is a gif->ASCII converter and you can view the images too.
The default video output device of a Linux TTY is the framebuffer.
I have no issues viewing images and PDF documents, or watching videos.
You get a similar feeling using the console a lot in full screen. It's just a very peaceful, focused experience.
Lol so cool. My fav text apps are toot for mastodon and maybe gomuks or iamb for matrix/element. Also what Lemmy app r u using?
I'm just using the Links browser and fbi for the images.
So weird I'm used to hearing about FBI using us for images. 🤔 Lol
Does feddit.org work without JS? Does this depend on the front-end that the instance uses?
The standard frontend doesn't let you log in without JS, but on old.feddit.org it works.
Same with the other instances I tested.
Thanks
I'd love to be able to ditch the gui entirely, I've found working from a TTY really helps me focus on the actual work I'm supposed to be doing
Unfortunately the one impossible hurdle is the web browser. Have kinda got around the need for it mostly with an llm cli for basic questions but will always find myself needing to fire up a window manager just to get a browser eventually
Also doesn't help that I'm primarily a web developer
cage is a minimalist Wayland compositor that only shows a single application in fullscreen. When you close the app, it drops you back to your console.
It's compatible with programs that need X11 through XWayland, and it has practically no loading times.
cage -ds firefox would open Firefox in fullscreen.
Option -d hides client-side decorations and -s allows you to switch from Wayland to another TTY using Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6]
I put aliases for the programs I use in my .bashrc so I can just type FF[Enter] and a second later I have Firefox open.
Ah that's useful to know, I've been using gamescope for that but it's a bit overkill
I remember using Reddit years ago on Links. New Reddit was borderline unusable, old Reddit worked... okayish. How is Default web UI Lemmy on Links? Is there a nice TUI client that I guess you would use more regularly?
The default Lemmy UI doesn't work on Links, it won't let you log in without JavaScript.
I use the alternative UI old.feddit.org (old.lemmy.world, old.sdf.org and probably others also exist).
And that works really well.
Okay, I've wanted to do the same thing for ages. Time to follow up my words with action!
Give browsh a try
I did. It doesn't accept mouse clicks from gpm, and it doesn't offer keyboard navigation. Both issues are long-standing bugs that also affect the Chrome version, Carbonyl.
Drat!
Pretty cool, this is how people used computers before, but back then computers couldn't do as many things as they can now
I would not recommend web links opening in other programs.