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I've noticed a general sentiment that printing on Linux is (or at least was) extremely cumbersome and difficult. Why is that?

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[–] Baaahb@feddit.nl 54 points 1 month ago

That's not been my experience.

Granted, printers suuuuuck. But I was legit surprised when both the printing and scanning functions in Linux were hands down better than windows.

[–] gomp@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

It used to back in the day, especially if you tried using shitty windows usb inkjets.

Nowadays basically all printers are network printers (they are, aren't they?) plus we have cups which is the same thing macos uses (so manufacturers actually care).

[–] drwho 8 points 1 month ago

It was terrible in the 90's. Since CUPS became standard around 2000 it's significantly easier.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago

IDK, my housemates printer required literally 0 setup to work with my linux VM and I've never had an issue. When I print from windows it's a pain in the butt sometimes.

[–] 68silver 7 points 1 month ago

This has been my experience also. My Brother printer/scanner works great with linux.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is way easier than anything else.

[–] brianary@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago

This was also my recent experience on PopOs!

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

HP Laser 107w, driverless, over LAN.

I just Ctrl+P from any software and it prints.

It also prints programmatically (for e.g. folk.computer ) thanks to IPP.

I didn't have to "think about printing" since I have that setup so I don't know where you get that sentiment.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Linux printing is very complex. Before Foomatic came along you got to experience it in all it's glory and setting up a working printing chain was a pain. The Foomatic Wikipedia page has a diagram that will make your head spin.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

No doubt, the kernel itself is also quite complex... but my comment here is on the user experience perspective, namely, for me at least "it just works". So I'm not trying to imply it will work for anybody flawlessly nor that it's due to the simplicity of the stack, solely that it works, for me.

[–] Unmapped@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I noticed this too. In theprimeagens recent video on cups problem they kept making jokes about printing on Unix. I think I must be lucky or something cause so far every printer I have setup on Linux has been easier then having to download all the bloatware to make them work on windows. But I have only done about 6 printers so far on Linux.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

I also like not getting ads from printer companies

[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

As long as your printer is supported, it's not difficult. The problem is that if you need advanced options, like artists need usually, the options aren't there.

[–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 4 points 1 month ago

Printing on Linux has been seamless for me so far, unlike windows and macos

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

I think that used to be the case more than it is now. Linux now uses the same printing system (CUPS) as macOS, and macOS printing has to work or Apple's customers would be unsatisfied.

[–] slembcke@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Anecdotally Windows is the only platform I've used where printing (and scanning) didn't tend to "just work". The only issue I've had printing under Linux was with a second hand printer my dad got that we couldn't get to print from any computer. (shrug)

[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

It depends... 3d printing works fine :D

[–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

My brother needed the driver installed in debian on Qubes but has been flawless beyond that. When I was still running arch it just worked out of the box

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're printin experience within Linix is going to entirely depend on which printer you have. Some work out of the box immediately others take hours to get working and digging through forums looking for drivers.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

I'd say 70% work out of the box with 10% requiring about 30 min of tinkering to get working. The last 10% is completely impossible

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

thats just cuz printers generally suck

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dunno, I own the cheapest Ink Jet HP sells and setup is much faster on Linux than via their drivers on Windows.
Gnome Scanner also wipes the floor with any scanning application from HP/MSFT

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

NAPS2 is good for Windows

[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

I have a Postscript 3 compatible ipp network color laser printer for about 15 years now and it works without any issues with Linux, way better then it does from Windows. So I never understood way they say that printing is cumbersome with Linux.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For basic document printing it's been great but for doing fancy print jobs it's tough on any os depending on the printer and support. My wife makes stickers and notebooks and got a fancy Epson printer and going windows Mac and Linux it was a pain. She finally got it down on her windows machine.

Even the documentation was terrible. It told her for duplex prints she would have to manually move the paper but once she figured it out it was all automatic. Youtube guides were even worse since they said it wasn't even possible on that model

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't need them these days as everything uses standard protocols

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but back then.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

apt purge cups-* libcups* libppd*

Thank me later.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] halm@leminal.space 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, this news cycle may not be the best for CUPS advocacy 😄

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 month ago

It's definitely not helping haha

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago

The Canon Pixma has always problematic for me with driver issues.

[–] the16bitgamer@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Because printing in Linux both works and is supported and not supported and hope that there are drivers and they work.

For example, I have a brother printer and in both arch and Ubuntu/mint the printer worked out of the box. But I was missing features like double sided printing. So I had to download drivers for it.

In arch the drivers were on the AUR, so I was printing is seconds.

In Ubuntu/mint they weren’t in my package manager, so I had to go to brother’s website and hope they had drivers. Brother did and while it took a bit it did work too. No worse than windows.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's not my experience. Bought a new Brother MFC the other day. Hooked it up to the Wifi. All Linux machines in the house can automatically print and scan without any additional setup needed.

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Brother, in particular, has always been fairly well supported via Linux fortunately. Especially great since their laser printers have been the best cost/value for home use for a long time.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Brother actively works to make sure they have good support. Also their printers use standard protocols with no proprietary BS.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I haven't used a new printer or an inkjet in a number of years now, but using my 18yo HP laserjet is a matter of plugging it in and checking it's status under the main distro settings menu. That was also on par with the windows process iirc.

I do remember 20 years ago when I had to sideload pcmcia wifi drivers, though.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Recently ran into an issue with Endeavour OS where the built in printer program would give errors when trying to add my network ecotank printer.

Tried using cups terminal and it worked the first time, and is still working weeks later.

So some of the GUI printer apps that distros ship with have issues apparently, but I don't know the extent of it.

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

I've also had struggles with arch with printing, more so than debian-based distros. EndeavourOS is where i did the most troubleshooting, but its also a problem on my manjaro install (whicj ill move to endeavour... Someday) But learning how to use cups directly was worth it.

Currently, printing via GUI is like 5ppm and very low dpi so... Not great. But at least I can print for the casual use cases out of the box and could work out a terminal solution if I needed to in the meantime.

I don't print much so haven't put time into getting things working better for bigger jobs, but printing is definitely going to be a more hit/miss experience with arch. Its looking like better GUI experience for my specific model will require a driver from the AUR or scripting the Debian install from brothers drivers site. But my model is apparently not as widely used and just hasn't gotten as much community support I guess

I've never bien able to get printing to work on arch, void or nixos.

For some reason though debian, fedora, open s'use ans their derivatives have been easier than on windows

[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

my printer spits out page upon page of random characters and mess when I try to print from my desktop, gave up and use my phone now

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You need to set the correct settings. It takes a few tries but in my experience it isn't that hard

[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

you need to set the correct settings

thanks for the insightful suggestion wowee

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

If you have a hp printer they got a official software for it