In simpler terms, it's greed.
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It's systems built to reward the exploitation of the many by a few powerful individuals. It's not a sin that is the issue, it's the actual political-economic systems that are currently being maintained.
An anarchist would take off the capitalist mask to reveal hierarchy
Capitalism is a hierarchy so true as well
Wouldn't the state also be in the frame before the capitalist at the end?
I'm an ML but no, states are more fundamental than capitalism. There were states prior to capitalism and they will likely exist after capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist without a state as the special apparatus of class oppression.
As an ML though you could argue that states are downstream of the economic circumstances that force their development
Yeah, you're probably right
If everything is capitalism, then nothing is capitalism
Everything isn’t capitalism, but fascism is always funded by the capitalist class. In fact it can’t get far without it. Fascism doesn’t just randomly sprout out of the ground; it’s not as organic & grassroots as most people think. Fascism is always a false revolution, because the capitalist class always remains in power. It’s what the capitalist class falls back on when liberal democracy starts to fail them. It’s when the capitalist class goes mask off. That’s what Lenin meant by “fascism is capitalism in decay.” Michael Parenti: Rational Fascism
How did January 6 happen? With a whole bunch of funding from rich motherfuckers.
- CNN: Man who organized buses for 200 people to travel to DC pleads guilty in US Capitol riot probe
- ProPublica: Texts Show Kimberly Guilfoyle Bragged About Raising Millions for Rally That Fueled Capitol Riot
- NPR: New clues emerge about the money that might have helped fund the Jan. 6 insurrection
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The Nation: Trumpism: It’s Coming From the Suburbs
But scapegoating poor whites keeps the conversation away from fascism’s real base: the petite bourgeoisie. This is a piece of jargon used mostly by Marxists to denote small-property owners, whose nearest equivalents these days may be the “upper middle class” or “small-business owners.” […] Trump’s real base, the actual backbone of fascism, isn’t poor and working-class voters, but middle-class and affluent whites. Often self-employed, possessed of a retirement account and a home as a nest egg, this is the stratum taken in by Horatio Alger stories. They can envision playing the market well enough to become the next Trump. They haven’t won “big-league,” but they’ve won enough to be invested in the hierarchy they aspire to climb. If only America were made great again, they could become the haute bourgeoisie—the storied “1 percent.”
According to your logic: If everything is the universe then nothing is the universe
You get it
Ehh i wouldnt agree, heavy capitalists are usually pretty liberal because they dont like regulation. There is some precident of big factory and company owners actually fighting against faschism(not for the good reasons tho). I do agree with lesser right wing ideologies just being "recruitment" for far-righters. Wewe seen them radicalise so many times in the past that it should be obvious by now that any amount of right leads to more far-right.
Capitalism doesn't care what people feel about it, it moves according to its structure. Just because libertarians don't like Capitalism doesn't mean they can stop monopoly Capitalism from lobbying for regulations.
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you forgot something
The State is the weapon by which any class asserts their control, not the other way around.
So what would you tell people that say that Nazis stands for national socialism - there is a socialism even in the name of the party.
So where does capitalism comes from?
I would ask these people who was in charge, the workers, or the large corporations, and by what mode of production were commodities produced.
The Nazis were not Socialist, they were similar to Social Democrats but far more Nationalist, racist, and Corporatist. They were Capitalism in its most Anticommunist and violent form, fascism.
I'm just saying that some ring wing characters online are saying this:
They can be entirely disregarded.
...The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.
If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men
-- Hitler in Mein Kampf
‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
Excerpt from an interview with Hitler. Note the part about "private property".
Obviously he railed against Marxism all the time, but these were the most obvious quotes. He clearly did defend private property, and I'm not really sure that there was any collective farming like he describes of his "German ancestors".
It seems I read once that "socialist" was just in the party name to garner support of those who would be supportive of socialist values. I can't recall the publication, but wonder if that's true?
Yeah, but that's something that is harder to be succinctly convincing about to someone who is enough of a philistine to say "nazis were socialist" to begin with. That said, in the source I linked, the very next paragraph is:
‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
If it's nearly as appropriate to call yourselves liberal as it is to call yourselves socialist, you probably aren't much of either (and indeed, as much as I despise liberals, Hitler was not a liberal either).
Thanks. That's a liberal (sorry, I couldn't resist) definition of socialism he used there too, even allowing for the "national" qualifier.
The naming of something decides the nature of the thing
Lol
So where does capitalism comes from?
Volkswagen, Siemens, IBM, Hugo Boss, and many others. Also socialists known to like privatization, not like the Nazis invented that, rightt?
Do you also believe that the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy just because the name says so?
No, I believe it is a democracy after taking time to research how their government works, after spending years believing they were some weird dictatorship due to ambient western propaganda
Solution to the problem: ban right-wingers, impose socialism and if rich people get too noisy send secret services to deal with them Pinochet-style. Bam, capitalism defeated in a few years.
Not that simple.
Nah, it is. Seize all their assets and if they complain, again, some Pinochet-style methods that will bend them to our knees.
Sorry, patience is over and right-wingers and their financiers must be dealt with the appropriate way.
Again, not that simple. Read The State and Revolution.
Sorry, tired of world going to shit and if we need someone that makes Stalin look like a kitten to fix it, so be it.
That will not fix it. You're advocating for adventurism, not leftism.
adventurism
Adventurist leftism, maybe?
No, adventurism.
Whatever that poster planned to implement their beliefs would probably devolve into adventurism but, taken at face value, I think it would be much more accurate to call their proposal blanquist.
Seize who's assets exactly? The second you draw a line and say anyone on the other side has fewer rights than you, you're falling right in line with those same right-wing policies.
There is no way to define a law against "right-wingers" that doesn't infringe on basic rights like freedom of opinion and freedom from discrimination. You can't punish people for being part of a group. You need to point to something specific that each individual has done that is illegal before prosecuting. Anything less and society will break down into fascism.
Seize who’s assets exactly?
Rich people's
The second you draw a line and say anyone on the other side has fewer rights than you
Nah, just do it against rich people.
There is no way to define a law against “right-wingers” that doesn’t infringe on basic rights like freedom of opinion and freedom from discrimination. You can’t punish people for being part of a group. You need to point to something specific that each individual has done that is illegal before prosecuting. Anything less and society will break down into fascism.
Fuck this fake democracy then.
You and what army?
This is what I would do if I were in power.
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I'd do it differently.
I would fund a massive advertising campaign preaching equality, fairness, and cooperation
I would use the tax system to weaken the cycle of intergenerational wealth (the ultra wealthy spend borrowed money which is settled by their estate on death; I would tax bequests to banks; I would tax inheritances above a pretty high limit.
It would take time. The aim would be to have a much more level wealth distribution
Nah, fuck that. Dictatorship, right-wingers get treated Pinochet-style (eye for an eye) and if rich lobbyists try to make a mess, take their families as hostages. Fuck good manners.