Daily reminder to defederate from and block threads.net (and optionally all instances that do not do the same).
this post was submitted on 29 Aug 2024
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Exactly. Proudly presented by https://fedipact.veganism.social/ and https://fedipact.online/why among others.
You can read the human rights abuses that meta is facilitating above.
So... Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?
yes, I'm federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.
It's going to take some effort to have the necessary restrictions while also denying the "help" from major orgs in developing the software
A is defederated from Threads, but federates with B. And B federates with Threads. Now Meta can cash out on your data via B.
Now Meta can cash out on your data via
B.
Everything we're posting is public, anyone can cash in on it regardless of who you defederate.
Everyone can break into my house regardless of having a key or not. I still don't have my key delivered to them.
Everyone can break into the park you visit and talk to people at
@flancian @Dirk Threads has about 200 million monthly users, 33 million daily users. The fediverse has just under 1 million monthly users. Do you really think that 0.5% has any relevance to Meta?
Also: What data do you think Meta will be able to use - and for what? They can't use this data to serve you ads, simply because they don't know you. They can't track you around the web because you don't have a Meta account.
Threads has about 200 million monthly users, 33 million daily users. The fediverse has just under 1 million monthly users. Do you really think that 0.5% has any relevance to Meta?
Do you really think they would care about those users when they extend and extinguish the Fediverse?
@Dirk How should they achieve it? The Fediverse contains of a lot of different systems that offer so much more than Threads could ever do.
Nobody can ever explain how EEE could work in this scenario. They just parrot it and stop thinking.
I don't think that's how it works and it would likely not be legal. By explicitly blocking Threads, you make a big statement about not wanting your instance's posts to show up there. Also from a technical standpoint, I don't think a "middle-man" instance will push posts from another instance to a third one. You'd have to explicitly scrape data that's not available via the API. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The fediverse is too new and niche to say that with certainty.
The legality is likely untested and certainly not enforced by pubspec yet.
I don't know enough to speak to the technicalities with certainty, but my surface level understanding is that that is exactly how it works, and it is one of the known flaws of the fediverse as it currently exists.
You might be making a statement, but server B is just a node and, frankly, doesn't care. If you federate with them, you federate with everyone they federate with as well.
It's uncomfortably like an STD in that regard.
@copygirl @Dirk yes, I also get the feeling this would not work in a compliant setup but it seems like a good idea to test this in e.g. a federation test suite.
Maybe @evanprodromou would know how this should work, or would know of someone who might be testing this kind of scenario.
It's a way to force your morals on the others.
Who's the artist of the image? I like the art style
Also the scared Lemmy and mastodon :( I feel bad for them
David Revoy.
Oh sick I didn't realize it was his work, nice, thank you!
Who are these characters?
Looks like Sepia (Peertube), 藍 'Ai' (Misskey), Mastodon, Fox Tan (Pleroma), and Lemmy.
It's awesome that Threads federate with Mastodon. I follow several accounts on Threads I otherwise wouldn't be able to, just as I bridge with Bluesky.
Me federating with Threads makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to what they could or could not do with my data.
No. Threads federation should be treated the same way as a wolf joining a "sheep's right to not be eaten" meeting. Deeply unsettling, highly suspicious, and troubling. Facebook does NOT want the fediverse to succeed, and any claim to the contrary is fucking sus.
Other than general assumptions and track-record and being a business that sells user data, is there any actual evidence or clear and present ways that Meta could do harm to the Fediverse / its users?
All I've read is that it seems suspicious and we shouldn't trust them. I totally agree with that but I'd like someone to give some examples of what they could do as a member of the network. I've read how they could post advertising – how would that work?
I ask because, like the previous comment, the idea of following people from other, more popular, federated platforms from the comfort and security of "open source" (?) platforms is appealing. At the same time, if this is leaving me and my platform vulnerable to something specific, I'd like to either proceed with caution or not proceed at all.
The biggest loss for me when leaving Twitter was losing access to so much happening in my community and local news and government organizations. They're all still posting on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and not moving to the open social web. More and more are moving to Threads though so it would be nice to maintain / regain exposure.
The basic idea is that a huge company with infinite money creates software that supports an open standard, such as Threads. Next they spend significant amounts of money driving users to their software, rather than an open software equivalent. Once they've captured a huge percent of all users of the open standard, they abandon the open standard, going with a proprietary one instead. They'll make up some new feature to justify this and sell it as a positive. Because they control almost all of the users at this point, many of the users they don't control will decide to switch over to their software, otherwise the value of the open standard drops significantly overnight for them. What's left is a "dead" open standard that still technically exists but is no longer used. You can find plenty of past examples of this pattern, such as Google and XMPP.
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Why go through all that trouble when they’ve already accomplished the end goal you’ve outlined?
To kill any competition and ensure they retain control over future standards. Money. It's pretty straightforward.
XMPP didn't die, so why would the Fediverse?
That's your opinion. It's problematic when people conflate their gut feelings for facts.
There's quite a bit more than a gut feeling here. Meta is a malignant cancer and having nothing to do with it while promoting the fediverse is the wisest course of action.
Theres no balance when one instance floods the whole network with millions of users. Soon people will mean that "threads" is whole "fediverse" .
ActivityPub is pull, not push. Threads isn't pushing anything into my feeds.
This is completely wrong.
No.
Guess who wrote Lemmy? https://github.com/dessalines
And?
Well, that convinced me. Thanks for your insight on the matter, I now know how to value the rest of your comments.
troed:
It's problematic when people conflate their gut feelings for facts.
Also troed:
I understand activitypub better than creator of Lemmy
What has argument from authority to do with facts?
You only get posts from those you subscribe to. That's the "pull" part.
I thought it was push after subscription.
Well sure - but you need to actively subscribe (e.g. pull).
Fuck the Zucc
This won't affect the Fedipact instances like dbzer0, right?
Nope. But world agreed to it and this could hurt the fediverse in the overall since world is the majority
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
But why?
Simply put, there aren’t a lot of us, we don’t like them, and we aren’t particularly nice people, even to people we don’t dislike a priori.
It seems like a poor business decision.
The largest social media operator in the world had to adopt open source concepts and ActivityPub in order to compete. I see this as a huge win.