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Not sure how long this has been a thing but I was surprised to see that you cannot view the content without either agreeing to all or paying to reject.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 77 points 1 month ago (3 children)

A common thing in continental Europe too. NOYB and some EU lawmakers are trying to make these pay-or-ok schemes illegal, but I guess in the UK you will be out of luck regarding that.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this be blatantly in conflict with the EU cookie law? Like I'm not from Europe but my understanding was that it needs to be equally easy to accept or reject all cookies. Dark patterns aren't allowed

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

UK is not EU, so EU law does not apply.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Person I'm responding to said this was common in continental Europe

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I've never seen one of these before

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

i think this one might, actually. When the EU passes a law like this, each member state passes it into their own national law, and so if these cookies laws were implemented before the UK left the EU they’d likely still be there

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

It's more than that. The EU law lets any EU citizen report a company that's not in compliance. That includes companies not strictly in the EU. It's why even US companies tend to be in compliance (or something like compliance).

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

The GDPR was enacted in 2016 and came into effect in 2018. The UK left the EU in 2020.

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

But UK laws do, which share a lot of commonality - like the GDPR

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

I think this type of scheme is illegal under the GDPR, which is in effect in the UK just as it is in the EU.

It's been a while since I worked with the GDPR, but from memory the wording is such that:

The data holder needs to allow people to opt out of data collection. The subject can request to be forgotten. The data holder explicitly cannot charge for this.

But changes move slow, and The Mirror is probably banking on nobody caring enough to complain, and Trading Standards being too underfunded and swamped with other work to investigate otherwise (which they are). If they're challenged, they'll just change tack, go "oops" and are unlikely to hit big fines unless they dig in.

Cookie laws are a horrible mess and always have done - the resulting consent banners are far more intrusive than anyone wanted.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The EU is now fighting such schemes though.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 37 points 1 month ago

"News outlet" might be the most generous interpretation I've ever seen.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 month ago

Lmao even if you pay, you still see ads, they just won't track you. What an insane monetization scheme

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well ok, they have no GDPR.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

German news outlets all do it. The data protection agencies have sadly so far ruled it's ok (there are still ongoing lawsuits afaik).

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think they repealed it. And besides, it applies to EU citizens regardless.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Refer them to the EU. EU is going after Meta for charging for an ad-free plan. Oh, right. The EU only goes after USA corporations and deliberately wrote their rules to exclude companies like Spotify. Oh wait, there was Brexit, so it doesn't matter anyway. Brits voted themselves right to fucking shit. Kinda like what we might do in a few months.

Vote. The stupid people definitely will, so it's necessary to combat them.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

And fuck abstaining on the basis of we only have two bad choices, I want a true leftist candidate. I would too, but by abstaining you are basically taking the bullshit liberal position of "I can't tell the difference between these two things"

[–] peto@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Just don't read The Mirror. Generally not worth the effort of moving your eyes from one word to the next.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago

I've seen this on a few sites. They aren't even allowed to make rejecting cookies more difficult than accepting them but right now the legal people are trying to educate before they starting enforcing these rules. I expect the lawyers at the Mirror know that this is illegal but think they can get away with it.

All those things like having to "customise" your cookies to turn them all off, and "legitimate interest" is all illegal under the rules but they're trying their luck.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago

How can you pay to block cookies if they would need a cookie to remember that you paid?

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

"Back to concent"

Fucking animals.

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can you manually uncheck all then save it?

[–] BMP5k@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They are all unchecked by default but you can't save and exit, it just loops back to the subscribe screen.

[–] jwr1@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago

Happy cake day :)

[–] ChonkaLoo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Daily mail does it as well. Cancer. But not hard to circumvent with Firefox and some extensions.

[–] hahattpro@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

This is their homepage, in case anyone is looking https://www.mirror.co.uk/

[–] redux@fosstodon.org 1 points 1 month ago

@BMP5k the worst part is that you pay to still see ads :blobcatfacepalm: