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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18302836

I'm just picturing that robot from Star Trek (the one thinking about "this sentence is false") going "huh" and then blowing up........

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 70 points 3 months ago

It's intentional and pointing out the absurdness of what the TERFs are saying.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 41 points 3 months ago

Oooooohhhhhhh I see I get it now

[–] DrFuggles@feddit.org 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] peto@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think it's more a reductio ad absurdum.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There is zero chance it is satire. No chance at all. No possible way it could be satire. Zilch, zero, zip.

Unpossible.

[–] Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago

Sarcasm? on my Internet??

[–] kamiheku@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago
[–] LoamImprovement 20 points 3 months ago

Wow, it's almost like trying to measure and codify man- and womanhood is inherently dangerous and phobic, even to cisgendered people who don't meet the nebulous standards set by bigots who are obsessed with other people's genitals, and we should maybe just stop doing that and let people identify themselves however they want?

Just a thought.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Vagina Man is the hero we needed.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago

And to a certain extent wanted as well

[–] xilliah 14 points 3 months ago

I dunno I just like genitals

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 8 points 3 months ago

I'm laughing so hard I'm crying for real XD

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Jesus what's so hard about XX and XY?

[–] zout@fedia.io 21 points 3 months ago

Nothing. But there are cases of men with XX, women with XY and some others like XXY or X0.

[–] apotheotic 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Quite a lot actually! Chromosomes aren't a good basis for biological sex.

Credit to @jarfil@beehaw.org for where I first saw this image (and obviously original credit to the original tweeter, @RebeccaRHelm)

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So we have 4 independent variable

Chromosomal sex Genetic sex Hormonal sex Cells sex

Put it all into a matrix I would love to see the population distribution across this table.

Surly we can simply define a subset of the combinations. Cos the only other solution is to simply through out the concept of gender divisions but that just ain't gonna work.

[–] jarfil 7 points 3 months ago

Put it all into a matrix I would love to see the population distribution across this table.

That would be an interesting thing to see.

However, biology is still learning about human sex. IIRC last year there was a cancer study that put in question a large number of biology studies in general... because many only focused on XY cell lines, to save time, reasoning that "if it has an X, and it has a Y, then all variables are covered". Well, turns out that XX cells don't use both chromosomes at the same time; instead, the genes from one of the Xs get inhibited via epigenetics... but not always all of them, or in the same way, and not always on the same X. That means some genes that didn't activate in XY cells, sometimes would in XX cells, causing different mutations and reactions to cancer medication.

[–] AShadyRaven@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nothing at all

This post is talking about people born XXY or X0 (just one x chromosome and nothing else)

or people born with a mixture of XY and XX chromosomes, such as discordant chimerism

Genetic sex is not binary, its a bellcurve. This is not a theory or an idea or a matter of debate among biologists.

The only people on earth who think its only XX and XY are those who are uneducated on the topic

but now you know better!!

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can somebody please enlighten me with some numbers on the commonality of said deviations. I always assumed they made up such a small percentage it wasnt relevent same as people with 4 or 6 fingers.

[–] Laurentide@pawb.social 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How big does a minority need to be before it's "relevant" enough to be acknowledged and its members' rights respected? People with 4 or 6 fingers exist. People whose chromosomes don't match their physiology exist. People whose gender identity doesn't match their genitals exist. It doesn't matter how many of them there are, because every single one of us is a unique minority of one.

But you asked for numbers, so I'll give you some numbers.

According to this article, around 1.7% of people are intersex, meaning they have physiology that doesn't fit neatly into the common conceptions of male or female. That's close to the number of people with red hair, which is estimated to be 2% of the world population. I have never heard anyone suggest that redheads are too small a percentage to matter.

I think you were asking specifically about chromosomes, though. There's a table in the linked article that breaks down intersex conditions by cause. The first entry is "Non-XX or non-XY (except Turner’s or Klinefelter’s)". This refers to people with XY chromosomes whose bodies developed female characteristics (Swyer syndrome) and people with XX chromosomes whose bodies developed male characteristics (de la Chapelle syndrome). It does not include people with X, XXY, or XO chromosomes. (Those are the next two entries in the table.)

The estimated frequency for this condition is 0.0639 per 100 live births, equivalent to 0.0639% of population. That looks like a really low number, right? Surely not enough to be "relevant"! Except... There are 8.1 billion people on this planet. 0.0639% of 8.1 billion is 5,175,900 people, which is roughly the current population of New Zealand.

Remember, that is only women with XY chromosomes and men with XX chromosomes. If we include all intersex people that number rises to 140 million, which is nearly the population of Russia.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

which is roughly the current population of New Zealand

To be fair, New Zealand is unfair and should thusly be excluded from all international sporting events. Especially rugby union.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think they should be reclassified as aussies for rugby purposes.

Actually it seems they could still technically become a state.

[–] pipows@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago

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