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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 39 points 8 months ago (6 children)

German here. This is 99% sure fake news. German police is only able to even touch kids at that age to take them back to their parents. Kids up to 14 are executively immune from the law. The source is also kind of iffy. The right to protest is also enshrined in German law. As long as they are not violent they can protest all day long.

[–] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 8 months ago (2 children)

also german here. the demo i recently went to was cut short by police for no apparent reason.

also many others are being blocked by the cops before they get to happen.

this country is also raiding organizers homes and recently banned a group called "palästina solidarität duisburg" which organized protests as well.

and its all happening in the name of what they call "staatsräson" or some vague ideas of chants like "from the river to the sea, palestine will be free" being antisemitic.

lastly, the idea that cops give a shit abt following the law is ridiculous if u ask me

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

chants like "from the river to the sea, palestine will be free" being antisemitic.

Iirc this can fall under antisemitism as it impies the wish to "destroy" izzy. I don't agree, but thats why.

Even though you're right about a lot of this, checking news' sources is always important, especially now.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I want to destroy the state of Israel. Just like my ancestors destroyed the Third Reich. Guess what, Third Reich was destroyed and the Germans didn't go extinct. Likewise, Israel being destroyed will not mean any harm to the Jewish people.

If someone thinks Israel = Jews, they're admitting it's an ethnostate.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago

Does anybody claim it isn't? Wtf?

[–] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 months ago

Iirc this can fall under antisemitism as it impies the wish to "destroy" izzy. I don't agree, but thats why.

yea, im aware of the bullshit they make up so they can crack down on protests.

doesnt make it true tho.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

I hate that so few people do not get that anti zionism is not anti semitic, fucking all or nothing thinking, makes me angry 😤

Like, as if i’m not allowed to hate war fanatics just because they happen to be jews?!

Fuck all religion.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 35 points 8 months ago

What you're saying is absolute horseshit.

They banned many many protests in Germany (before they happened, at the permit phase). The excuse the authorities give is usually vague security concerns, and they always argue that something antisemitic or glorifying violence might be said. And they explictly define any fundamental critique of Israel as antisemitism and any positive mention or symbol of any armed resistance group as glorifying violence, but only for pro-Palestinian groups. You can show support for the IDF as much as you like, in fact providing not just symbolic support, but support in the form of actual lethal weapons is facilitated at the highest levels of the state. That is legal and encouraged. Saying "Palestine will be free." gets you detained.

[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

At a demo some weeks ago in Berlin I definitely saw them chasing a kid that was 12 or younger, but luckily he was swift and disappeared into the crowd that was starting to surround and corner the police after they charged the crowd from the side into an otherwise completely relaxed demo. Obviously, the kid was arab.

Police in Germany is composed of pigs as much as any other police force.

[–] neutronst4r 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The police can shut down any protest, if it was not filed for in advance. Unless of course you protest with a tractor. The police is powerless against tractors. The hierarchy in Germany is therefore:

Tractor > Bureaucracy > Police > You and Me

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 1 points 8 months ago

You have to register at a certain expected size so police can have enough policemen on site to be able to keep public order. There are very few cases where these applications have been denied and with good reason. Demonstrations are only dissolved if they get too unruly and dangerous for the public.

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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

You'd think that Germany would want to be on the right side of history this time.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Na, they know genocide when they see it and don't waste the opportunity to help.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thats like the oppisite of the issue here.

Remembrance is so deeply ingrained into our society, that a lot of people in power are struggling to even criticise Israel.

Add to that highly emotionally charged discourse and frustration in the general public at these protests plus cops being cops, jumping at an opportunity to bash lefties and you get this bullshit.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago

They should remember the genocide properly and not want to repeat it upon any ethnic group. Unfortunately, all they remember is that Jews were involved. I guess the concept of "genocide" is a little too complicated for a Nazi to recognise.

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They didn't realize the problem with the holocaust was the genocide bit, instead of the Jewish part. That's the only explanation for this behavior: they keep talking about their mistake, but obviously learned the wrong lesson.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

This! Exactly this! This thinking hurts my brain! Let me be against war without being called a nazi! Like WTF??

I am a fucking hippy, not a nazi!

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