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Cherry picked statistic of transgender suicide rate. They only look at that number, but never why that number is so high.
It's almost like constant bullying has a major effect on people's mental health
Man that number is high
Like me in high school.
Is that referring to 41%, 41 per 1000, or some other metric entirely? Either way it's too damn high, but I'm curious and I don't know how to go about researching it without potentially making the almighty algorithm think I'm anti-trans.
Percent
Specifically, it's percent of adults who have attempted, not completed. I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting it's the latter, but that was my first thought when I saw the statistic so I thonk it's an important thing to note.
Thank you, I agree that it's an important distinction to make. Having only been able to read the abstract of the linked article, do you perhaps have any information on the number of completed attempts compared to unsuccessful attempts?
I hope it goes without saying that even a single attempt is too many, and any completed attempts are devastating tragedies that don't reflect kindly on our current society.
Thank you, that is absolutely heart-wrenching.
It certainly is. I know my sister has tried multiple times at this point and that's with support of loved ones and friends. She is also fortunate to have always had access to her medication needs.
I sincerely hope that she has been trending in a positive direction. I'm glad to hear that her attempts have been unsuccessful, and that she has good love, support, and (hopefully helpful) medication in her life.
I imagine the knowledge of your sister struggling and suffering is hard on you too, and I wish the best for both of you.
After many years of suffering she's finally on a upward trend. Engaged and planning for the future for the first time in at least a decade.
Well, 41 would imply 41/1 = 41, so...
I don't understand, could you please elaborate?
x = x/1 = x is true for all numbers, no?
I mean to say that
41 implies 41/1 instead of 41/100 (41%) or 41/1000.
So 41 attempts per person.
It is supposed to be my attempt at humour.
I'm sorry, I hope I didn't offend you.
I'm still not sure if I understand the intended joke. An average of 41 attempts per person sounds horrific. I'm sure there is something that's going over my head, it's some kind of dark humor, correct?
I dunno. Maybe I'm just bad at making jokes, but you got the point.
41/1 = 4100/100 = 4100%
Weereas,
41% = 41/100 = 0.41
Thank you for explaining.
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Imagine we joked about cisgender men suicide rates the same way we joke about transgender suicide rates.
Plus this statistic is flawed. It comes from an older study that does not even compare pre- to post- transition.
People who joke like that are disgusting.
I don't care who you are, if your best option is suicide, we failed you and we should be sorry.
In fact, the American Psychological Association warns that manhood and masculinity are so construed by society's expectations, that being a man poses mental health risks itself.
There is a whole subdiscipline that focuses on 'counseling men".
Not to mention no one of this lot wants to have this discussion, either online or IRL.
https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf
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TIL ‘41’ has a long history as a slur for homosexuals
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/10/number-41-became-anti-gay-slur-mexico/
Is every word and number going to get colonised as dogwhistle until all of language has become a minefield ? Why do we even give air to this shit ? It seems to me acknowledging it is to give it power and legitimacy.
Not a common one, at least not in the US.
watching transphobic cis people piss and shit themselves over being called cis has been one of the funnier things in my modern life.
Pardon my ignorance, but what does cis mean?
“cis” and “trans” are prefixes denoting on what “side” something is. “cis” means “on this/our side”, while “trans” refers to “the other side”, for example:
- “Cisalpina” is how the Romans referred to their side of the Alps (modern day Italy), while “Transalpina” referred to land on the other side of the alps.
- There exist certain pairs of molecules with either a “cis” or “trans” prefix, depending on whether certain identical groups are on the same side or on opposite sides, respectively.
The modern use of “cis” and “trans” is generally about gender. A cisgender person is someone whose gender identity aligns with their sex assigned at birth, while a transgender person is someone for whom that doesn’t hold true.
In this meme, the person on the right is wearing a transgender flag for a shirt, and presumably offending the cisgender person on the left by calling them cis. The meme is making fun of the fact that some cisgender people consider “cis” an insult, when it really only is a neutral and non-offensive description.
Thanks for the clear explenation! Further comments say it's a pretty neutral identification, but to me it sounds like there's two sides of it and one is bad. I presume this feeling is incorrect?
Yes. "Cis" is just a description, like "straight" or "white." Calling someone "cis" is not an insult, but some conservatives take it as such. The common phrase they echo is "I'm not cis, I'm normal." They're trying to denormalize trans people by making an inoffensive and common descriptor an insult. The same people sometimes have a problem with being called straight by queer people because they see themselves not as straight, but normal, and anything different is abnormal. In reality, "gay," "straight," "trans," and "cis" are no more abnormal descriptors than calling someone "black," "white," "American," or "tall." It's all just "othering" those they perceive as political opponents.
It’s short for cisgender, which is basically the opposite of transgender. Cis and trans are both Latin prefixes, meaning ‘same side of’ and ‘opposite side of.’
Ohhhhh. I wish that were explained more. My only problem with the term "cis" is that it seemed to come from nowhere, a made-up term out of a random syllable that was suddenly being applied to people.
Like Inside as the outside. Do you feel like a man and were born male, do you feel like a woman and were born female? Then you are cis. It's the opposite of trans: inside not like the outside.
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What?
I am cisgender
I don't understand why that's a bad thing?
I don't understand a lot of this political gender shit tbh. I'm just chillin
Its not a bad thing
Straight people are the worst of all options.