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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/37281970

Believe it or not, an unexpected conflict has arisen in the openSUSE community with its long-time supporter and namesake, the SUSE company.

At the heart of this tension lies a quiet request that has stirred not-so-quiet ripples across the open source landscape: SUSE has formally asked openSUSE to discontinue using its brand name.

Richard Brown, a key figure within the openSUSE project, shared insights into the discussions that have unfolded behind closed doors.

Despite SUSE’s request’s calm and respectful tone, the implications of not meeting it could be far-reaching, threatening the symbiotic relationship that has benefited both entities over the years.

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[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 49 points 4 months ago
[–] halm@leminal.space 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just rename it jeSUSE, because nobody fucks with the jeSUSE.

[–] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Eight years of long term support, dude.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't SUSE actively benefit from openSUSE development? I thought Tumbleweed and SLES had a similar relationship as Fedora and RHEL.

[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Notice that "Fedora" does not have "Redhat" its name. Maybe the request is reasonable. I don't know how many people think that thy don't need SLES, because there is openSUSE.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

My comment was more about how SUSE benefits from openSUSE development (and vice-versa) and that Tumbleweed has a similar relationship to SLES as Fedora has to RHEL, as they are both upstream of their respective enterprise distributions.

Besides, people don't need SLES. Enterprises do because of the support they get. And I'd assume employees responsible for that kind of thing at such enterprises would know the difference.

And the Red Hat logo is literally a fedora hat.

If it's just a name change done well, I couldn't care less (although openSUSE is a very recognizable name and brand recognition would have to be reestablished). I just hope that this isn't the beginning of something worse.

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[–] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

SUSE provide a lot of the infrastructure for openSUSE and base their enterprise Linux from factory.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

New name suggestion:

"The Distro Formerly Known As openSUSE"

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

wow. I had a good opinion of suse up to this point. what a silly request after all these years.

[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Corporate backing is a two-edged sword, unfortunately.

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[–] owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

That must be annoying just after OpenSUSE went through a branding redesign process. I guess they'll have to give up the gecko logo since SUSE also uses it?

And there's more at stake than a rebranding it seems. This could signal SUSE withdrawing development support from OpenSUSE:

Let’s face it: SUSE has been more than just a namesake for openSUSE; it has actively provided resources and support far beyond what it would ordinarily need for its business operations.

This generosity has fostered a thriving openSUSE project that has excelled under SUSE’s goodwill and informal support, including contributions made by SUSE employees on company time.

However, the recent request for a branding separation has overshadowed this partnership. If openSUSE does not handle this request with the sensitivity and cooperation it demands, the project risks not just a reduction in support from SUSE but a potential shift in priorities away from it.

The “Factory first” policy, a cornerstone of the engineering synergy between SUSE and openSUSE, could also be scrutinized, emphasizing the gravity of the current situation.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago

This could signal SUSE withdrawing development support from OpenSUSE

i had a similar thought; feels like the centos/redhat episode we had a couple years ago.

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[–] brayd@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 4 months ago

The request was respectful and SUSEs support on OpenSUSE is very helping the project so I’d personally be fine with fulfilling that request

[–] WeAreAllOne@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Corgana@startrek.website 15 points 4 months ago

Honestly, for a good distro, the brand is not great. Perhaps this can be viewed good opportunity to go with something more unique!

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Lizard Linux
Lizard Linux
Lizard Linux

[–] connaisseur@feddit.org 13 points 4 months ago

Since I had to deal with some representatives of SUSE corp, I can say that the whole experience was just plain horrible. Don‘t like that company at all and thus am not surprised that the name change topic is even discussed at all.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] holgersson@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Just go the last step and call it Jesus OS

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 16 points 4 months ago

Reboots after three days and then disappears in the cloud.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Name it UnownOS. The other variants like MicroOS and Leap all have logos that look like Unowns.

I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't mind. Their lawyers are known to be pretty chill...

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

If the just called it other.

It would gain a huge boost in desktop usage figures.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 8 points 4 months ago

Finally

ClosedSUSE

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

Introducing openSUSA

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

If they were to rename/rebrand, what would be the new name, do you think?

I've heard mention of GeekLinux/GeekOS.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dear Lord I hope they don't go with that one.

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[–] kurcatovium@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

That is terrible idea, it's even worse than my fun proposal of openSAUCE...

[–] drunkosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

Is openSusie different enough to be considered?

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[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ChameleonOS seems to be already taken... Maybe ReptileOS?

[–] WeAreAllOne@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

David Icke will disagree!

[–] WaylandHater26@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago

They should name it something original like Green Lantern

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The openSUSE website obly lists three variants, Leap, Tumbleweed and MicroOS. I don't see the many confusing variabts that are mentioned in the article

[–] bsergay@discuss.online 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)
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[–] Koyaanisqatsi@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] thayer@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Off the top of my head...

  • Gecko or GeckOS
  • LizOS
  • ReptilOS
  • ChamelOS
  • KomodOS
[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 months ago

Gecko (is already an openSUSE spin)

[–] Suppoze 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ooooh, I love GeckOS, rolls off the tongue silky smooth. Maybe this is just a great opportunity to rebrand (again)

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[–] fireshell@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

openSUSE is already a brand, now the main thing is not to get lost.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When I hear openSUSE, I think of german engineering and resources from SUSE, with a history of innovating great infrastructure.
With a new name, distanced from the SUSE part, I'll probably feel more like if this is yet another random derivative created by a small group who might soon lose interest.

[–] mobilehugh@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If GeckOS doesn't work out... SUSEbanthony, LazySUSE, SUSEsarandon, DrSUSE, uSUSEalsuspects, OkcanSUSE (must be sung)... #puns

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Those all use SUSE though lol

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