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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago

Sounds like a fun and comfy gathering

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh god this meme is disgusting

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

I know! If it said "Friends, cake, tea" it would rhyme

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Oh, now it's okay to vote for a lesser evil?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Are you lost? The revolution will not be won by ballot. sabo gui-better hammer-sickle

Name one time in history where the capitalist class accepted a vote to dismantle themselves. It has never happened and very likely never will. They’ll unleash fascism upon the working class if need be to maintain their position.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago

I agree, that's why Russia needs another.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

The abolition of capitalism is kinda the lesser evil, the transition to communism isn't exactly smooth even in theory.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because of lenin, i hate this guy

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Because he was the one of the many russians who was destroying my countrie's culture and economy

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just words of extreme nationalists.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

one of the many Russians

Ok, racist. You can blame governments for certain actions, but blaming ethnicities, especially when the form of government has changed 180° two times in the past century, just shows you're a racist nationalist.

Funnily enough, Lenin's ethnicity is contested, but his patronymic "Ilich" doesn't necessarily suggest that he's ethnically Russian. Sorry that your country has been brainwashed for the past 3 decades to hate an entire nationality. You can blame the current Russian government for any oppression they're carrying out in your country if it's the case, and that's very legitimate, but don't be a racist prick and don't blame a nationality.

[–] Vitaly@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just know the history of my country, not the russian version of our history

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Thanks for at least not refuting the claims of nationalism and racism

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Planning the murder of 500,000 people

[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

landlords and foreign imperialists are not people.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

dehumanization of the other

Whooooah there buddy.

[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

would somebody PLEASE think of the leeches and colonial mass murderers

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Ah, yes, all societies and situations are homogeneous I forgot.

Besides that, people deserve to die for playing by the rules of the system in which we live? Why not change the rules to prevent abuse?

Clown

[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

you liberals are such fuckig morons, its unbelievable.

i suppose, according to you the slaves of haiti should have simply forgiven the slavers, since they were "playing by the rules". this institutionality fetish of yours is the same excuse fascists use to justify their crimes. "the untermenschen werent playing by the rules."

please read theory. especially engels, lenin and mao.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I do read theory. I just know theory isnt the be all end all of understanding the world. If it was, that would be great, but you just happen to agree with this guys philosophical musings. Besides that, you call me a liberal when I'm literally not but whatever.

You're arguing with an imaginary friend and a beautiful strawman opinion you made for him to hold.

I never said anything about Haiti, but comparing anybody living in a first world country (the vast majority of this site's users and where such a revolution is more likely to take place) to a slave is disingenuous at absolute best.

I also don't think that Dessalines needed to massacre the remaining french people on the island. I'm willing to bet I have a better und3rstanding of the haitian revolution than you. You know they reinstated slavery within a couple of years, right? Read some Trouillot.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago

That literally has nothing to do with what Im talking about, which you should really know given your username. I'm done here.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Isn't the context about the overthrow of the Russian Empire by communist revolutionaries? Not modern first-worlders? Am I missing something here? Why would "foreign imperialists" be relevant to modern first-worlders?

That being said, to actually answer your line of questioning, it is the correct solution to change society while ALSO overthrowing and locking up the oppressors. That may involve the elite dying, but those deaths are necessary. Peaceful reformism and strict nonviolence policies never works – unless you consider extremely high amounts of unnecessary suffering for innocents to achieve comparatively minor goals as "success" (cough cough Nelson Mandela). Even Gandhi and MLK (who took most of his influence from Gandhi), although nonviolence advocates, were well aware that violence is often necessary to achieve a better future, and much of the work they did was to the benefit of violent/militant revolutionaries (although of course they're portrayed a lot more neutered/"deradicalized", as well as the roles of complete compliance to nonviolence being completely overstated while violent methods are hidden away as if they didn't exist, not even to be mentioned).

After capture though, death pentalty is not the way to go, but life imprisonment is fine and they may have a chance to be released later, mostly depending on their status/loyalty. I'm sure a lot of "revolutionaries" would disagree with me though, but I'm not an "eye for an eye" believer... I suppose if you're in a situation where the former imperialist rulers would likely have power to directly cause damage while detained or incarcerated, or they're likely to escape or be "rescued", then it would be justified to chop off their heads or put a bullet in their cranium.

The core issue is that these people (the oppressors/ruling class) can not be rehabilitated, and are likely to stir up considerable trouble and disrupt when they have the opportunity, either in a bid to regain their power, or out of a large feeling of loss that makes them go nuts. You can't always reasonably ensure that they won't try to fuck shit up in the future.

That's just my view, but of course there are people other than me who are just bloodthirsty for vengeance (my opinion is that they're not thinking all too rationally and it's the same mindset as parents that hit/yell at their kids, they're convincing themselves it's for the greater good but in reality it's just attempting to satisfy their feelings of anger). Either way, I see their lives as considerably less valuable than the lives of the people they oppressed, not because they have an inherently evil soul or something, but because they are already too far gone and only can bring chaos to the world.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just vote for a classless society, you fool, you absolute baffoon.
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We live in bourgeois “democracies,” which were formed from bourgeois revolutions. These states weren’t created to represent us, and they never have and never will. The rules of the system can’t be reformed into socialism, because the bourgeoisie will never allow it. They would sooner unleash fascism on us (again in the case of Europe) than relinquish ownership of the means of production.

Rosa Luxemburg, 1900: Reform or Revolution