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You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things... (cdn.masto.host)

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You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things...

Kreative Suite
* Krita is your new design/painting app
* Kdenlive will give you video-editing powers
* glaxnimate adds 2D vector animations to you videos
* digiKam organises your collection images

https://kde.org/for/creators/
Also:
* Inkscape - create sophisticated vector-graphic designs
* Scribus - layout like a pro
* GIMP - need we say more
* Blender - ditto

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[–] Tramort@programming.dev 74 points 5 months ago

If you are a creative freelancer and have any confidentiality agreement with your clients, then it is now impossible to use Adobe without violating those agreements.

And there is massive liability if you mess it up.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 20 points 5 months ago

God damn Adobe... we know you are bad but not THAT bad.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Thank God .... I've been on Gimp and Scribus for the past 15 years, mainly because I could never afford Adobe products for the little bit of work I needed them for.

I was open source a long time ago because I just couldn't afford paying for stuff for the little time I needed software. Now I'm happy to be fully open source and even contribute with donations to the projects I like the most. I donate annually now to projects like Wikipedia, Libreoffice, Scribus and Fediverse developers and projects.

This is one criticism I'll always have with open source supporters ... if you want open source alternatives, contribute with donations to them. Give anything you can afford ... $1, $2, $10 ... because they need money to survive and stay engaged and committed to their project.

If we all just stand aside and take advantage of free open software and not give anything, then we are no better than the corporations we were trying to avoid. Instead of corporations taking advantage of us, we are taking advantage of developers.

So if you want these open projects to live and survive, contribute to them with whatever you got. If we all just gave a dollar each to these projects, no matter what they are, the developers would have more than enough to maintain their work.

And whatever you contribute, it will be far less than the hundreds of dollars annually you would have given to a big corporation that would have just counted your money as profit and not directly contribute or support the actual developers.

[–] kde@floss.social 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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We would like to remind you that both @Krita and @kdenlive are currently running fundraisers:

#Krita :

https://krita.org/en/donations/

#Kdenlive :

https://kdenlive.org/en/fund/

#videoediting #painting #fundraiser #FreeSoftware

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[–] crocodisle@woof.tech 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

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I support people trying new things! I hate Adobe!

However, all of the tools here, save for Blender and maybe Kdenlive, are lacking somewhat in either features or UX. Inkscape is not comparable to Illustrator in my recent experience, and even Krita, while decent, has some weird decisions that don't make much sense from a workflow perspective.

I commonly hear criticism met with either "Add the feature yourself, it's open source" (I am a visual artist with experience using digital art tools, not a C++ programmer) or "It's not supposed to replace " (then your software might as well not bother competing if it's not going to work much better than the other options). I have a necessity to switch, but I can't use these tools yet if they don't behave how I need them to, often how swaths of other competing software behaves. I'm willing to curb my expectations, I don't expect things to be *perfect*, but the amount of configuration I need to do to get similar workflows like comparable software is rough. I think once that gets addressed, more people will be interested in switching.

I'm so convinced it isn't even a feature issue, more of a look and feel with sane defaults sort of issue.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Don't take this the wrong way. While I appreciate the tact with which you have expressed your criticisms, but you may find that your objections all boil down to "I am used to a certain set of tools and now I have to change. The new tools do things differently and I am confused and it is messing with my productivity", that is, the problem is not entirely with the new software, but with you, your workflow and your muscle memory.

[–] cronosisma@feddit.it 4 points 5 months ago

hi! this is a way of reacting to criticism that I feel very often, but this is misleading to me because it does not consider the most important structural factor, that is the environment in which it "grows", also digitally. you are inhabited since young people to use the pc in a certain way, to use programs in a certain way. for me the FOSS software is a political issue, if it is important that people approach you should mediate through interfaces and beautiful workflows to see (and imo current ones are not beautiful) and easy to adopt for those coming from the most mainstream programs.

if it is believed that the software foss is official remains in the niche in which it is locate (so that people outside the FOSS or should not approach or can do it hard to get used to a new way of using IT means, thus invisible the structural action of society and responsibilities and culpritizing the individual people without doing a collective and broad analysis, typical discussion brought by non-politicized or liberal people) while the rest of society is devoured by multinationals I understand it but I do not agree: I consider it part of a political struggle also anti-capitalist

[–] crocodisle@woof.tech 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

@Bro666 i appreciate your reply! I'll link you to my response to a different post here outlining a bit more of my experience. tl;dr, I've used multiple programs in personal and academic settings. Some FOSS options are great and comparable! Some miss the mark, even if they get close. It's not for lack of trying, it's that out of the multiple programs I've learned over the years, the FOSS options tend to be the odd ones out.

https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112579981685976482

Even blender is guity of this with its default control scheme being the odd one out among Maya, Unity, and Substance, but it can be modified enough to make up for this and has other attractive aspects to make it a worthy contender. Digital tools tend to be used in an ecosystem that they are integrated with. Learning new workflows if fine, but there's value in being able to do what's already being done well in a similar way without much fuss.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Even if you lack knowledge regarding development, advice from professional designers and artists is always appreciated. I think it would be helpful if you picked a project with receptive developers and offered them your insight.

[–] crocodisle@woof.tech 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@Bro666 thanks for the encouragement! I joined a forum when researching some Krita features, but only because I felt the need to stand up for someone who suggested a good feature and ended up getting told it was a stupid idea, even though other painting programs had already implemented something similar... FOSS is tough, and all respect to the developers and communities that make it happen. I trust many of these things are already being worked on/implemented, or the groups have bigger fish to fry.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 5 months ago

There are abrasive people everywhere and everyone has an opinion. In a community without a top-down hierarchical structure, every Tom, Dick and Henrietta thinks they know what's best for the project and will tell you so. Don't take it personally, remember everybody wants what is best, and, if you believe in your proposal, persevere. There is someone who agrees with you.

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[–] werefreeatlast@mastodon.social 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social you can also use #FreeCAD to draw up your house or anything else parametrically, and then export as STL and use #blender to make a movie of it/with it.

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

FreeCAD has become soooo good!

[–] DeltaWye@mstdn.social 3 points 5 months ago (7 children)

@Bro666 @werefreeatlast It’s critically important to manage users expectations with #FOSS - FC is still uniquely set up and challenging to use.

It’s amazing what it can do, but development-wise it feels like #Blender long before it really hit its stride (as well as getting quality tutorials like Blender Guru) several years ago.

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[–] Hunterrules0_o@techhub.social 5 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social kdenlive is based and changed me. thank you kde for making it so based.

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I hate adobe and have been actively trying to switch away from them for a while. I work in game development, though, and for some reason no one has made it as easy to directly modify the alpha channel of a texture. It's something I have to do a lot and is probably the one thing keeping me from using krita or affinity photo.

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[–] NafiTheBear@bears.town 4 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social happy to see glaxnimate officially promoted by KDE.

[–] shellheim@social.linux.pizza 4 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social This post reads funnier with the implication that it's a threat from KDE.

[–] wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Just a matter of time before Microsoft do something similar with #recall

[–] draeath@social.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Don't forget Darktable to fill-in for Lightroom!

[–] kde@floss.social 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

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Context:

https://youtu.be/ZI1wFN8pbXM

#adobe #evil #photoshop #premiere #ai

[–] Maxy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago

YouTube would be smart enough not to advertise Adobe creative cloud in the pre-roll ads of this video, right? Right???

[–] lps@masto.1146.nohost.me 2 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social well it appears as though #youtube has now become a "gated community" the #YT frontends are not working. It prompts a login to prove you're not a bot:(

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A link to what happened would be useful

[–] Bro666@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 5 months ago

https://lemmy.kde.social/comment/3894129

[–] rolandixor@mastodon.social 2 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Glaxnimate really needs some love, though it's pretty powerful.

[–] smallcircles@social.coop 2 points 5 months ago

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social

See also this great curated list of #FOSS creative tools collected by @ADHDefy

https://delightful.club/delightful-creative-tools

If you have more such fine projects, then create an issue or PR. The link to the repository is at the top of the delightful page.

[–] JoShmoe@ani.social 2 points 5 months ago

By comparison Inkscape was made assuming the user knows what they’re doing, very intuitive. Illustrator has so much handholding that its like it was designed assuming you do not know what you are doing. I’ve ready made several thousand using only Inkscape professionally. Illustrator is not needed.

[–] valenteespi@mastodon.social 2 points 5 months ago

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Synfig Studio is a powerful tool for creating film-quality animation using vector and bitmap artwork.

[–] Ray_Of_Sunlight@mastodon.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Bro, even YOU guys are suggesting GIMP, meanwhile most people try to use Krita as an image editor cuz of the UI and other issues i can't fully understand.

Is like using a Lawnmower to cut wood.

Edit: I need to clarify that i'm saying that people are using the WRONG TOOL for the job, i'm not saying either of these programs suck.

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