It's gonna be real awkward if you find out the US didn't do it after this title
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The US absolutely did it.
This is absolutely non-news, pure conspiracy, at least in the first 8 minutes I managed to suffer through. Can we agree the guy needs to get to the point and not ramble? For anyone who watched the whole thing, any timestamps of note? Are there any facts or sources presented other than Biden saying "will stop the pipeline" months before anything happened that I may want to skip to?
I'm not saying its not plausible, but just because someone may have done something doesn't mean they absolutely did it.
I'd say Betteridge's law of headlines [0] applies in this case until proven otherwise.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
Edit: I see the site (rumble) is associated with truthsocial and locals.com - right wing hate/conspiracy sites. I'mma go ahead and blacklist 2 more domains, thanks for making me aware. 10K + employees at a global corp will no longer have access. Thanks for making me aware.
Spread fact not conspiracy.
The one entity that benefit the most from the attack is the US who is selling gas to EU at 20% price increase overnight. That is in the billions.
Yes.
They're preparing a war
Quite possible, both Russia, to put pressure on the West, and the US, to be able to sell their gas at prohibitive prices, have enough reasons for this sabotage.
Russia invested billions into infrastructure, and lost a lot gas that was pumping through it. All theyhasd to do was turn off the tap. The pipelines were also a big bargaining chip for Russia.
The lost of gas isn't a problem for Rusia, but a big problem for the EU. In any case, I do not dare to affirm the authorship of this, if it was Russia, as a response to pressure and boycotts from the EU or the US to alleviate their economic problem with money from the Europeans, capable of this sabotage are both. Pointing the culprits in this economic war between Russia and the US is risky until you have reliable evidence, which is not easy either with these "objective and independent" information media that we have. The first death in a war is always the truth.
Thing is that Russia already demonstrated they're perfectly capable and willing to simply turn off the tap at the source. There is no pressure from US or EU that can force Russia to send gas to Europe. This why it's a bargaining chip for Russia, they are the ones who get leverage from the pipelines.
So, while both Russia and US have the capability, it's pretty clear US has a much clearer benefit from this. With the pipelines out of the way, Russia can't use them to pressure Europe to back away from the war. Meanwhile, US LNG companies get a big market.
I understand perfectly, but precisely cutting off gas to Europe allows Russia to put pressure on it, since it forces Europe to pay these horrendous prices to the US and they cannot get money to support Ukraine. It's an easy game for Russia to send a submarine to put a couple of torpedoes into the pipelines, since they have it patrolling the Baltic and North Sea anyway. Both Russia and the US have plenty of reasons to cut off the tap to the EU, albeit for different reasons. In Spain and Portugal we are luckier as we do not depend on Russian gas, because we have a good infrastructure of our own renewable energy and because we receive gas from Algeria, but the rest of Europe expects a long winter.
What does Russia gain from destroying their own infrastructure?
They don't have destroyed the own infrastructure, the destroyed the infastructure that carried gas to the EU. The gas bill of Russian consumers is less than $1.50 per month
The pipelines were built by Russia at the behest of Germany though, and it cost Russia billions to do that. Destroying this infrastructure to cut themselves off from being able to sell gas to Europe seems far fetched.
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Was going to comment this same thing, but you already did it
It makes no sense for the US to have done this. The risk to reward ratio just doesn't pencil out. Right now NATO is united behind Ukraine in a way it hasn't been in decades. There is no need to burn the ships to keep other countries in line. Sabotage like this risks discovery, and discovery would break that unity. I am not saying it was Russia, but it doesn't pass the sniff test of being the US.
The flaw in this argument assuming that US is a rational actor. If US acted rationally we wouldn't be where we are now in the first place.
Unpopular opinion, but it was probably Poland. The only way Russia can send gas to Europe now is through the Yamal–Europe pipeline which they control
Absolutely, no doubt.
critical support for comrade biden in his revolutionary fight against the fossil fuel industry o7