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The original image said windows where this would be accurate but I doubt it applies to the average linux user
Well, I do. In fact I've installed Linux on 4 classmate's laptops, after insisting for some time.
People don't have any reason to recommend Windows because it's the regular OS everyone already uses.
Linux may be an improvement for a lot of people's use cases but a vast majority of them don't even know it exists and its not just for servers and stuff. Mac people probably do this too.
People do this all the time.
You don’t tell people that you use Arch in random conversations? /s
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I'm a die hard Linux user. I don't spend much time telling people about it outside of actual tech conversations that should include the topic. I did raise my kids with a lot of Linux desktop use on their machines. They uniformly find the Windows 10/11 experience to be horrible, so I guess I've managed success on that front.
The crazy moment was when one kid was about 10 years old and he busted open the terminal without promoting to get something done. He already knew it was faster and more powerful so he just started learning the tools.
I danced a little jig in my head once I realized what had just happened.
@azimir
All I will say is your kid is smart and you should be a very proud man :)
I suggest as a linux dude myself, keep encouraging him :D and as an extra suggestion if he wants to learn more about Linux see if he wants to try out arch linux because that has taught me a lot over the time I have used it :D
Thank you. I'm very proud of all of my kids (even the Windows user).
I haven't put anyone on the Arch path yet. So far, apt, video drivers, and Steam have been giving the crew enough trouble.
If nothing else, just keeping Discord patched is getting them lots of experience with sudo and dpkg tools. Why doesn't Discord have a repo?
@azimir
Good :)
Hm what distro do most of them use ?
I'm not sure why it isn't on their repo I know there is a .deb for it, maybe there is any other Linux launcher for Discord but for me discord just works whenever there is an update because I'm on a rolling release distro
Also steam can be a bit frustrating I brought watch dogs because it was on sale and it won't run with proton, I believe it works on lutris but I dont wanna install it just to play one game :0
Discord does provide a .deb, but I've never found a repo that carries updated versions. I've found plenty of hacks that download the latest one and install it every night, but for whatever reason, it's not kept in the various Debian repos out there.
The kids mostly use Mint with one Ubuntu machine (driver issues that worked on Ubuntu, but not Mint).
I've only barely used steam myself (no time for games: see having many kids), but I know the kids often do have to do various tweaks for games at times. I let them have full sudo on their own machines with a scorched earth policy if something goes wrong. Mostly, it seems to work and they don't bug me much.
@azimir
I know the arch repos do since I'm on it, but if they ever check out a hacked one make sure it is safe just in case!
Ive had issues with mint before, I belive I was using an Intel laptop when I faced the issue, are they on Intel ?
Games can be very annoying and yoi gotta then graphics down at least in my case :0 but in the future it will get a lot better :D have you tried the custom proton ?
Also sorry for the late reply, I have been busy ^^
There's a circular reasoning happening that's causing Windows to stay dominant. Why isn't professional software being developed for Linux more? Because it doesn't get used in the workplace. Why doesn't Linux get used in the workplace? Because it doesn't have professional software support.
You need to break one of these things to succeed.
Agreed. Both things need to happen when they can.
If you live with the applications available on Linux ( or prefer them as I do ) then you can use Linux in the workplace.
At the same time, some “professional” applications are going to need to start targeting Linux. Some do. More need to.
There is an implied contract above. If you need professional applications and they become available on Linux, you have to use them ( and pay for them ).
Why does Linux need to be more popular? This isn't some NRM with a proselytizing mandate. Use whichever OS you prefer and let others do the same.
Linux being more popular means more applications of higher quality. I guess this does not matter to you. For those of us that would prefer more high-quality applications, Linux popularity matters.
Hm it's probably "bundle with the hardware, make sure the hardware really works and there's a price incentive vs Windows".
As long as you have to actively migrate (including backing up, losing access to several commercial apps) and could end up in the situation that your hardware isn't 100% working or you're workflow isn't really supported?
make sure the hardware really works
Also make sure the software really works, one of the main issues with Linux adoption by hardware manufacturers is their lack of dedication to it. In Brazil, for example, most brands that ship with a Linux distro (except for DELL, which ships with Ubuntu) ship with basically digital waste (unmantained, poorly developed distros) just to make the hardware cheaper, because they know people will get it to just install a pirated copy of Windows in it.
You don't. It's already happening. Slowly but steady.
Exactly. If critical mass is achieved inorganically, it would result with a reverse in uptake & possibly even a revolt against it.
You can lead a horse to water... (but a pencil must be lead)
Ask India, they hit 15% Linux desktop use
High Fives India, Well Done!!!
Why, though? Like, why should we care?
I guess they mean "how to make buggy messy often usermade Desktop distributions more popular."
As Linux itself is insanely popular, it's everywhere and runs everything. From the vast majority of server and network infrastructure to most phones.
The Linux desktop is great for people who need a system that works with them. It is a little trickier explaining that to someone.
System76 (a laptop maker "rebrander") is making their own desktop. Can't think why ASUS, Lenovo or Dell could not contribute to some desktop or maintain their version.
Because they'd need to support it or hire an assload of developers to bugfix and contribute to the projects they include in their distro.
And that's something those companies don't like doing.
System76 is a hardware vendor specifically created to cater to the Linux sphere.
but they already do for their buggy ass apps like armory crate. I think that they are afraid to commit ressources for an OS that is barely used on desktop.
Might we considered there may be a tiny difference in scope between an OS and an app like Armory Crate.
Yeah an OS from Asus would probably just blow up. Even on Android they basically keep it close to AOSP with only a function here and there.
Linux is the most used kernel on the planet - and it’s not close. Just the Android phones are enough to get a comfortable lead. Add the embedded systems. Add the servers. The competition is severely trounced.
The few desktops left and right are just slivers of the complete domination that Linux exerts over commercial operating systems.
That's kind of why it is so good. It comes from a solid base that's well used and tested. Compare that to GUI first.
Pretty much the entire internet runs on Linux already.
For personal users I think a stable, well supported, secure and privacy focused version will help. Also, it helps if this is the version your "computer-guy" uses, the guy that you (or your mom) call(s) when your computer is broken.
As someone who uses Linux as a daily driver for both work and home, I have this very easy trick on making Linux more popular:
I don't.
I want it to be better for me. Everything else just happens to benefit others. Do to others as you would want to be treated or something like that.
Why?
Another “Steam Deck is the reason” failure to cover the fact that once Steam Deck dies out it’s users also leave. Valve has awful hardware history and Steam Deck itself only runs games because they are the ones paying for Proton. It should not be controlled by a company that is known to make you lose your games.
It should not be controlled by a company that is known to make you lose your games.
Are you referring to the fact that Valve promotes digital game distribution (which is a very fair view), or are you talking about some incident where Valve removed games from people's libraries? Because if it's the second one, then I would really like to hear about it.
Yes Valve has removed games, CSGO is gone, Artitic card game is gone, TF1 gone, etc. they are part of the Corporate World.
CS:GO got a controversial update and got renamed. Old versions are still available under CS2, you just can't use Valve's servers anymore. Playing old versions on private servers is possible. But OK, I give you half a point for this one - you can't play matchmaking with old smoke physics anymore (but then again, it's not like it's the first CS:GO update to change the gameplay in a fundamental way).
Moving on, Artifact. It's in my library, ready to be played - Valve definitely didn't "make me lose Artifact" like you claimed. The community is dead, but there are still 40 people playing right now according to SteamDB and servers are up. One point down for easily verifiable lie.
And finally, Team Fortress 1. I assume you don't mean the Valve's game called Team Fortress Classic, because that one is still available for purchase on the Steam Store and oscillates between 40 and 100 active players at any time. So that leaves us with Team Fortress, a mod for Quake. But that one is available from ModDB without any problems, so... What's the issue supposed to be, exactly? No points, because I have no idea if there's more to your claim.
Hint: blatantly lying about some points heavily undermines the other points you make. So at least try to be subtle.
No it’s you who is lying, you’re making shit up about alternate game instead of the original. The original is gone, you can’t play the original. It’s like saying portal 2 is the same game as 1, no it’s not.
I've explained my reasoning for all the points I disagree with. Which one do you have a problem with? CS:GO? The last version of CS:GO is still available on Steam and fully playable, the only missing part is matchmaking servers - you can play with bots or on third party servers without any problems. That seems far from gone.
Why would you think that the Steam Deck dies out? Isn't it a huge cashcow to Valve compared to the Steam Box and the Steam Controller?
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