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[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 83 points 4 months ago

Recommendations and App Promotions sound an awful lot like ads to me. Showing me things I didn't ask for that you wish to sell me....that's called advertising and I don't care what dumb name you call it, they're still ads. Show me only what I actually want to see - the stuff I explicitly choose to pin to my personalized Start menu.

[–] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 53 points 4 months ago

And this feature was implemented into an OS you have to pay for. πŸ’€πŸ’€πŸ’€

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 52 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Too late. I've already switched all four of my home PCs to Linux Mint.

[–] bradbeattie@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

Likewise. Debian, installed Steam, updated my graphics driver, and everything runs smoothly. I'm surprised how well Linux gaming has come along!

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

So, Microsoft recognized and responded to all the complaints by removing the feature that people were objecting to.

Resulting headline: "Microsoft is trying to hide the evidence that they were thinking of doing that thing we hated! Hate them harder!"

Do people want companies to just ignore complaints completely because there's no way to satisfy anyone anyway?

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ehh... I think you're missing the part where Microsoft is actively exploiting its customer base throughout its entire product catalogue - the likelihood that this is an actual win is no.

[–] spaphy@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They’re tasked with infinitely growing their stock price. That is a suicide job. Working big tech in the USA sucks right now because there’s no concept of just maintaining and maintaining something well, unless you’re Valve and steam

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could always start suing the US government for allowing shareholder primacy in the first place. Stakeholder primacy is the way to go and everyone knows that. Everyone besides corporate knuckleheads.

[–] spaphy@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is my first time hearing stakeholder primacy as a term. Can you elaborate on what the grounds you’d sue the stakeholders on? Ie what is the legal premise that you’re proposing you can hold them accountable for?

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 10 points 4 months ago

I never said you sue the stakeholders. They could sue the government for allowing this shit in the first place.

Stakeholder primacy is just the opposition of shareholder primacy essentially. Stakeholders are the employees, the community/society around the company like the town or city it is in. As in they have obligation to care for that.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People want companies to stop trying to exploit them in every little way.

We can be satisfied by respecting us and treating us as customers, even when advertisers are throwing money at them.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And that's what Microsoft has apparently done in this case, yet it's being spun negatively anyway.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

Give it a few more months and ads will be back. They dropped us in boiling water and expected us to just accept it. Microsoft will just slowly boil us next time.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago

It’s not about the current state of their OS, it is about the corporate attitude to users.

Microsoft are treating users not as valued customers purchasing a product, but as a resource to be manipulated and sold off to the cheapest bidder.

They may have backflipped on actual ads in the Start Menu, purely due to user backlash, but they still have game/app/bullshit recommendations and reinstalled garbage, unless you are a windows sysadmin and know jo to use a Profile Editor.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 months ago

They don't deserve praise for not doing something bad. They deserve praise when they do something good that they weren't forced to do.

They didn't do this from goodwill, but because it was predicted to hurt the bottom line. They'll do it again as soon as it's forgotten about. This isn't the last you've heard from this.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why does this article use the term "real ads" every time instead of just "ads"? Is this just weird or does it have a technical meaning?

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, if those were "legitimate" ads the OS would have ways of shutting those down.

That aside, anyone thinking that's the last time they'll try that shit is oblivous. It will come back, because why not. Only solution is to finally stop using Windows if you can, or at least dual boot.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Of course it will come back, soon as Win10 EoL

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 10 points 4 months ago

Dunno, but within the context, Microsoft claimed only ads for Microsoft products. Now, whether those products are predatory mobile games for example, well that's technically within the said terms. It's basically a matter of scope and wordplay.