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Hello everyone, with the unfortunate passing of the FISA expansion, I was left with a few questions. I tried to research it, and to me, it seems like they are beefing up surveillance with routers and ISPs (correct me if I'm wrong.) Aside from having businesses stalk you when you use their WiFi (connected with ISPs.)

And if that's the case, should I just always use a VPN? And furthermore, shouldn't you have always used a VPN prior to this anyways?

That's why I'm confused because I already thought that other businesses were collecting data and our ISPs were already sending our data away, so I'm partially confused about what the real change here with FISA is.

Any clarification and advice is greatly appreciated, thank you.

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Stop using any electronics and move into a shack in the woods.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

The real answer

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago

Herd goats.

[–] trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

That you Ted?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There is no real change. It's a reauthorization. Continue following best practices to mitigate surveillance.

[–] CCRhode@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Continue following best practices to mitigate surveillance.

The slimy part of FISA has always been that the data it collects about overseas communications never sunsets. Moreover, Federal law enforcement officials used to be able to troll through the data without a lot of oversight. In 2020 and 2021, there were 270 thousand questionable uses of the data by the FBI looking for dirt — not on foreigners (who are fair game apparently) — but on citizens. The furor over that is what fueled the failed opposition to re-authorization, which succeeded primarily because the FBI insists that the data provides early-warning of terrorists plots and that [the FBI] promises to play fair in the future by digging for dirt only on terrorists here and abroad.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago

The reauthorization expanded it to anybody with a computer who passes on communications with the computer.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And if that’s the case, should I just always use a VPN? And furthermore, shouldn’t you have always used a VPN prior to this anyways?

No idea about these USA specific things but always using a VPN would mean that you need to trust your VPN provider more than your ISP and your government. There is only one commercial VPN provider that I trust and one non commercial one. But then there is Tor, and the slower i2p. You also have to take into account that VPN blocking appears to be increasing. For all kind of shopping on-line and filling in forms for government related things (Things like let's say e.g. request money support for a wheel chair) I cannot use VPN because they're blocked or worse : time out. And I found out that lemmy.world likes to block Tor and VPN for posting and uploads. Reading is allowed though. So all in all you have no smooth sailing guaranteed.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

How do you figure you need to trust it more than both your ISP and your government? I understand how it gets as much data as your ISP traditionally does, and that means you need to trust it as much as an ISP...

...But I have a very poor opinion of any ISP that operates on regional monopolies (as is common in the United States), and those are probably linked directly to the NSA a la PRISM anyway. I imagine a VPN, even a mediocre one outside the Eyes countries' jurisdiction, frustrates this.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I tried calling my state's senators, they voted yes anyways...

Establishment

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

Well its better than not calling them

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 5 points 5 months ago

The Wyden/Lummis amendment would have struck language that expands the definition of an electronic communication service provider to include, with some exceptions, any "service provider who has access to equipment that is being or may be used to transmit or store wire or electronic communications." The exceptions are for public accommodation facilities, dwellings, community facilities, and food service establishments.

So basically anybody with a computer network open to the public has to bend over in secret. This changes nothing if you assume all connections end up in their metadata database. It just makes it faster. Use your VPN/tor/i2p

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 5 months ago

Nothing different than before. Make sure you use a VPN at all times and everything you send after that is end to end encrypted.