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[–] Jakra@aussie.zone 59 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Before I wanted them to have a phone, I got a second d phone. It was my phone, not my kids phone. I would let my child take it when they went for a ride, or stayed over with a friend, or whatever. But it was my phone. If I had to take it off them, I wasn’t taking their phone, I was taking my phone. The difference is important. It also gave them a chance to learn appropriate use, and normalised me being in control of it. By age 10-11 the phone was basically theirs, in their hands, but the control is still mine. So my advice is don’t give the phone to your child, especially it as a present. It’s more difficult to take something of theirs away, but if they borrow something of yours, it’s much easier.

[–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago

I really like this idea. I am going to mention it to my partner. We have been trying to craft a policy for it recently.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 14 points 7 months ago

Can't remember when exactly. But basically as soon as they wanted to roam around in a bigger radius. Maybe 6, 7 or 8. It gave them the security to explore. They know that it's GPS tracked. And if they don't feel well they can always call us, even if it's just so that they don't feel alone.

Sure, we didn't have that as kids. But we also had phone booths on every corner and some change in our pockets.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My kids are grown now so my comment probably isn't all that relevant anymore, but I don't think there should be a set age to give your kid a smart phone. Different kids mature and learn at different ages, even ones from the same household.

For my kids, I got them their first phones in their early teens but those phones were somewhat restricted so that we could still communicate easily but we knew they couldn't get into too much trouble with them. As time progressed the restrictions slowly lifted as we knew we could trust them more to not get into trouble with them.

I've always believed it's not a parents duty to protect their child from the world as much as it is to prepare them for it. Of course kids are going to make stupid decisions if you let them go too far (we all have) so I think it's more about slowly easing them into things and helping them make the right decisions the best we can.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Exactly. You can't just say that X age is too young to get a phone, because age doesn't determine the kid's level of resposibility or their ability to practice healthy phone usage and internet safety. And also some kids simply need a phone more than others.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 7 months ago
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

3 kids. 13, 11 and 11 now. 10 years old was what my ex and I did with data plans coming a year after that.

Phone is like any other tool. It is my job as a parent to teach my children the proper way to use it.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We gave my son a smart phone at 8, because his mother and I lived in different states and he flew as an unaccompanied minor a LOT. I also lived in Oakland and I wanted to be able to reach him and to know where he was when he was with me.

We had strict rules about when he was allowed to have it on and when he was not allowed to NOT have it. We also didn't get him a data plan and made him use Wifi.

As a result of him actually being impressively responsible with that phone, we turned on the data and relaxed the rules probably years earlier than we would have under other circumstances.

[–] TequilaMockingbird@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago

My oldest got a smart watch which could make calls only to preset numbers that we added (mom, dad, grandma, aunt, and one neighbor who had a son the same age) at 9. That's when he started getting dropped off at friends' houses without a parent sticking around (mind you - this was just coming off COVID lockdowns, so we may have done it sooner if there was a need to). I wanted him to always be able to reach us in any situation. He's a really responsible kid, so he got a full smartphone the summer after 5th grade (11) when he went on the class trip to Washington DC. Currently in middle school with a smartphone and no issues yet, plus it gives us something valuable to him to take away if we feel he's letting grades slip, etc.

My second does not seem to share the same level of responsibility, so he did not get his smart watch until 10. He may not get a smartphone anytime soon. It depends on the kid.

My youngest is 8. Time will tell about how responsible he is, but Lord - this is the child that WILL need to call us. Always getting into something 🤦🏻‍♀️.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Our first daughter had a old smart phone at about 8 (she has just turned 9). It doesn't have data turned on, so is more or less a dumb phone unless she is at home. I don't think her little sister could care less about getting one.

I think that it's good for her to have one as it means she can contact us if she goes up the road to her friends or park/shop.

She doesn't have it for at school or general day to day life - so it may not be the best example

[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

It’s shown in school that kids who get phones and tablets before 5 have a hard time using computers with a keyboard and mouse interface.

Having a dumb phone is a current consideration. We have a smart phone on a separate carrier that we loan to a kid on an as needed basis like sleep overs so they can contact us in an emergency.

I’ve told the kids I’ll buy them a smart phone when they can afford the monthly service. It’s not that I can’t, it’s that they will need to learn how to manage money, and having to pay for my pager in the 90s was a good start for me. Not getting it sooner means it won’t feel like a punishment when they start.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

15, before that it was a dumbphone for emergencies. Had a tablet too, but use was restricted and the device was locked down.

[–] reric88 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My son has had access to an iPhone 6s and iPad 2 since he was 1 or so (7 now). His devices have always been moderated to prevent him from seeing inappropriate content whether by accident or on purpose, and as he gets older I ease up on the restrictions. We have had little to no issue with him being attached to the devices, and my opinion is because he had mostly free reign over his usage barring bedtime. Even to this day he prefers to be outside playing.

I'm sure we're all familiar with getting something we all wanted later in life than most people. We get super attached. I did get my son an Xbox one rather late (he had wanted one for at least a year before he got one), and he is attached to that. Because he spent a good amount of time dreaming and fantasizing about it.

My son is also high functioning autistic, (as am I), if that means anything. But this is my parenting style. Allow freedom within reasonable limits to promote individuality, unlike my parents. He sometimes watches the dumbest stuff on YouTube, but we all did and do. It's not up to me to mold his sense of humor, I just make sure it's appropriate for his age. Regardless if I think it's dumb or not. I'm not 7 anymore.

[–] Swallowtail 4 points 7 months ago

For any new parents out there, current recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics is basically don't give children under 2 years old any solo digital media time. Meaning no tablet babysitter when you're cooking, driving etc.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/childrens-health/in-depth/screen-time/art-20047952

[–] nmill11b@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My kids are 5, and Im not sure it's on the horizon in the next few years. There are no answers here, but I have the same question and have been wondering about how others approach this.

I didn't haven't my first phone until 25, and it's a different, much more connected world now, however.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

A family I know give their kids limited screen time per day on the home laptops. No phones yet.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

Teach them how to use a computer first. Phones are very easy to learn eventually

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Chaperoned a group of 13-14 yo 8th graders to a school-organized out-of-state civics trip. Only one kid out of ten didn't have a smartphone. 🤷🏻‍♂️

We got ours a flip-phone around 11 to coordinate after-school pickup, then a smartphone at 13, mainly because of involvement in cross-country and wanting to know where the kid was. Social apps or gaming with strangers will be disabled until 16.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As a non parent of Lemmy I would give my fake daughter a clay tablet at the age of 13

You know if my fake kids were ever to remark that I was abusive I would like it to be because of not buying them phone. Id love to be a fly on the wall of that therapy session

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

My wife and I had this conversation the other day. Our kid is only two right now, but as we've learned, these milestones sneak up on you.

I used my own life as a guide to my opinion, and so landed on age eight or so. That's around the age I remember being able to go to the park or to a friend's house within the neighbourhood on my own.

Other questions about how much functionality the phone would have and how much access they would have to it at home are still to be determined.

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

We gave our kid their first proper smartphone when they had to do a bit of travel to get to school. However, I've fully embraced the parental controls of Google family link and Microsoft safety and it's been great so far. The combination of both provides incredibly granular controls to what they can see on the web, how long they use specific apps and what apps they're allowed to install.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

I think my kid will be like me and try to overcome those restrictions.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've got complaints about Google family link's limits. They don't work right.

This is on the family tablet.

As for phones, my kid will get a phone sometime after they ask for one, likely when I upgrade mine. (Unless it's a forced upgrade due to gravity or water)

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What’s wrong with the screenshot? I have no idea what the numbers mean but I’d guess 28min is how long the app was opened, and 20m is how much video was watched?

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, yeah, it's set for a 20 minute limit, it was used for 28. Limits are supposed to be uh, limiting.

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

Oh, yeah. So one’s the limit, the other the actual? Yikes.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My kids are still too young (not even 5 yet) but we’ve decided it’ll be largely up to their peers. They won’t be first, but we aren’t setting up an arbitrary age. We have been working on their relationship with screens and we just have to hope we do a good enough job. Once they have them we’ll undoubtedly limit the hours per day/week and I’ll put some restrictions on what they can do with them, but they’re always used to “daddy tv” (my server) so I’m less worried about the specifics and more focused on keeping the relationship healthy and transparent with us.

Edit: that second phone concept someone talked about here is excellent. I might borrow that.