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I love all the ritualized behaviour, secret meanings and unexpected taboos - standing up when someone of higher status stands, elaborate rules for serving and eating, tapping the table to thank the server, never refuse a toast from a superior, stuff like that.

Whether it's about meals or anything else, I'd love to hear about any uncommon politeness standard or similar social behaviour that goes on in your location, culture or restaurant!

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Here in the upper Midwest, it's highly impolite to ask guests to leave, or for guests to directly announce that they're leaving. The accepted way for hosts to hint is to say, "Would ya look at the time?", or steer the conversation toward things the host has to do later, e.g. clean up, or get up the next morning. For guests, stereotypically you slap your knees and say, "Welp, I suppose..."

Then you don't just leave, there's the goodbye, the doorway goodbye, the offer of leftovers to take home, and the driveway goodbye.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The knee slap sounds suspiciously german.
"Ach schau mal auf die Zeit! Schon 2 Uhr!"

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's hilarious! Exaggerated for comedic effect, but not by much.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

One thing that I think is very foreign to some people, that Americans take for granted, is that a table server is always watching you when you dine. If the patron looks unhappy, or us even just sitting up and looking around, a good server will be there as soon as they can to see if something is needed. Hand-in-hand with that, signalling a server, especially with a loud noise, is extremely rude, basically an accusation that they're not doing their job. Which, okay, sometimes we aren't and it's appropriate. But to wave or stand is an indictment, and to snap or whistle is way over the line.

Correspondingly, a good waitress doesn't interrupt a meal or conversation, but merely glides by or hovers until the party is ready for his attention.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A wave of the hand is absolutely not rude or an indictment, especially these days when nearly every restaurant is understaffed. It's the polite way to get the server's attention.

[–] los_chill@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Depends on the restaurant. While not rude, a wave is often unnecessary in finer dining. Busy sports bar, sure. But most good servers will be scanning fairly constantly. Simple eye-contact is usually enough.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would consider it an indictment in a fine dining establishment, yes. Anywhere else, no. Of course, you shouldn't literally be waving your arms around. Just a slight lift of the hand while looking at them.

[–] los_chill@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Spot on. I used to work in a fancy spot. People waving their arms around would sometimes just get a super friendly wave back from me.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 2 points 7 months ago

Nicely handled!

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh man I'd hate that. I don't want to feel watched while I eat and I don't like to pretend the staff aren't there and not even address their help with at least a thank you. Whereabouts is this custom?

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

β€œI’M GOING TO PAY! YOU CAN STOP WATCHING ME FFS!”

[–] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

To be fair, your name is "I stole your taco".

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I miss living in Australia where you didn't have your own waiter but on the other hand that meant that it wasn't rude to flag down any of the wait staff if you need anything rather than being restricted to having to go through a single person.

[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is just a small thing and I don't know if it's exclusively Swedish (or even done in the entierty of Sweden) but anyways. In the grocery store all customers generally turn all products so that the barcode is facing forward, aka the way that's the most convenient for the cashier. Partially done to pay respect I guess but also makes the whole thing go faster.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Our cashiers are pretty fast for having to turn the product.
But If I have seen it correctly, our cashing systems in Germany can scan the EAN from two sides through a mirror.
Also you can't compare to a cashier scanning vs packing anyway so making them even more fast would be hell. Also older folks would be thrice as overwhelmed as usual during regular lunch hours.... :|

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

in Vienna they usually have some sort of table near the checkouts so you can just grab everything, put yourself there to free up the space for other people, and slowly organize your stuff into some bag/backpack

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We also have that.
But the pressure is high so you better be quick while the transaction is going through ;)

A bit of a memey example: https://youtube.com/shorts/D5Qip1N1FIc

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

you'd be surprised to know that in many places there's no such thing and you either stuff everything in as it comes or pack on the ground

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Or you prepare you groceries on the belt before it goes to the cashier and sort it into your bag as it's being scanned. Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In a busy restaurant in the New York City area, it is considered rude to waste people's time in not knowing what to order. If you don't have your order or questions ready about the order when it is your turn, you're going to piss everyone else off.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 3 points 7 months ago

How it should be.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 21 points 7 months ago

Not my culture but if you want to see this kinda stuff, try going to Japan. I exited a restaurant there and the waitress very excitedly went arigatogozaimasu (thank you very much) and made a full 90 degree bow. The service culture or like... I dunno how to describe it, like there's a certain honor in upholding your job/duty there that is just very different from Denmark (which tbf is very much a polar opposite to Japan when it comes to work culture).

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of the many things I loved about Taiwan was that people leave the left side of the escalator free for those who want to walk up or down.

There's one single file line of people standing on the escalator. Even during the evening commute, there's a single file line snaking back down into the station. But then as you get close there's a much smaller line to the left moving much quicker of every who plans to walk up.

It's so civilized.

[–] PatMustard@feddit.uk 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pretty standard in the London Underground too, despite technically being way more inefficient than if everyone just stood two people on each step!

[–] PeterLossGeorgeWall@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not more efficient in how people want to get there. The people who stand and ride the escalator have no rush to get there quicker so they get there on time. The people who want/need to go faster get there as fast as possible. In your scenario everyone MUST be slow, no? What am I missing here?

[–] PatMustard@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

True, that was the "technically" part. If it's rush hour and everyone is standing on all the steps on the right and everyone is walking as fast as they can on the left then the overall rate of people is less than if everyone was standing more densely. At quieter times then the people who need to rush can get there faster because they don't need to stop at the beginning while they wait to get on.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's pretty common for anywhere with subways. Unfortunately there's no international standard on which side is the correct one to stand on.

It's mostly "stand on right", but not everywhere, not even within the same country. (UK and Japan uses both).

As a tourist, please look for the signs.

Stand on right, walk on left : London, Berlin, New York, Copenhagen, Osaka

Stand on left, walk on right : Tokyo, Sydney, Edinburgh

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 7 months ago

Big in Washington, DC too. Stand right.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 18 points 7 months ago

standing up when someone of higher status stands

There's a great story about this. It's probably apocryphal, but it's a fun enough story anyway. Like any such myth, there are variations, but this is the one I first heard.

There's a tradition in classical music of standing when the Hallelujah chorus of Handel's Messiah is performed. The story goes that the reason for this tradition is that at its premiere, King George II was so enthralled by it that he rose from his seat. And respect dictated that if the king was standing, so must everyone else be, so the entire audience stood.

[–] livus@kbin.social 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We don't have tipping culture but praising the meal to the waiter is considered polite at the end of the meal.

This only applies to the elderly generation but they tend to put "quite" at the start of any praise.

So, saying food is "quite good" is actually higher praise than "good". But to people not from here it sounds like the opposite.

[–] PatMustard@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They say English isn't a tonal language but the way you pronounce the word "quite" can change it from being 'unexpectedly good' to 'barely passable'

[–] jlow 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"How's it goin?" "Not too bad!"

[–] PatMustard@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago

"Not too bad..."

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 7 months ago

In Denmark pedestrians will politely wait for green light even if there's nobody around.

It makes sense if you're teaching your child to walk safely, but otherwise it's just a tradition of doing things proper. It's so ingrained that police could probably stop a criminal on the run simply by following them until they hit a red light.

Also, never walk on the bicycle lane. That's taboo.

[–] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Etiquette is one of the things that really annoys-to-infuriates me. Especially if someone gets offended over me not following it. I just can’t be bothered thinking about arbitrary rules without any good merit behind them.

Now I am not talking common sense things where a behaviour might normally be considered offensive, but things like β€œ a man is supposed to verbally greet a woman first, while a handshake should be initiated by the woman if she wishes”.

Ive actually had this exact exchange with a superior (by standing, I wasnt actually working with/under them at the time):

Me: quietly walking past a superior about 2h after I have areived at work

Them, visibly and audibly annoyed: So I guess you dont greet people?

I just said good morning and said I don’t really keep track of who I have already met that day. But like come on, where is the disrespect if not projected from your own head?

I also hate the custom of wishing someone a good meal / good appetite. Like if it is 1x when everyone sits down, whatever, ill begrudgingly follow, but I cant be bothered to do it at work every 2 mins when someone new walks into the kitchen.

[–] mcmoor@bookwormstory.social 3 points 7 months ago

It's essentially a shibboleth, a way to confirm that you're in the "inner circle". Tribalism is still one of the strongest force in social science it seems, even if we start with lots of identical people they'll try to differentiate and discriminate between each other.