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Members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol have warned America for three years to take former President Donald Trump at his word.

Now, as Trump is poised to win the Republican presidential nomination, his criminal trials face delays that could stall them past Election Day, and his rhetoric grows increasingly authoritarian, some of those lawmakers find themselves following their own advice.

In mid-March, Trump said on social media that the committee members should be jailed. In December he vowed to be a dictator on “day one.” In August, he said he would “have no choice” but to lock up his political opponents.

“If he intends to eliminate our constitutional system and start arresting his political enemies, I guess I would be on that list,” said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose). “One thing I did learn on the committee is to pay attention and listen to what Trump says, because he means it.”

Lofgren added that she doesn’t yet have a plan in place to thwart potential retribution by Trump. But Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who has long been a burr in Trump’s side, said he’s having “real-time conversations” with his staff about how to make sure he stays safe if Trump follows through on his threats.

“We’re taking this seriously, because we have to,” Schiff said. “We’ve seen this movie before … and how perilous it is to ignore what someone is saying when they say they want to be a dictator.”

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[–] quink@lemmy.ml 74 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Non-American just double-checking I’ve got his right…

Private citizen makes actionable credible threat to unlawfully detain legislators, legislators choose to do nothing for about half a year before slowly murmuring without specifics other than “yeah he said it” and “I think he means us”.

You OK USA? Just checking in.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There is, unfortunately, no law against saying you're going to be a power abusing jackass. And the Republicans have decided that if he gets into office, they'll protect him from impeachment and removal no matter what. His lawyers have literally argued that the president can order assassinations of their political rivals.

So no, we're not okay.

[–] quink@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I see. I should have my lawyers argue buying a $1,000,000 house for $0 is reasonable, that way a deal for $500,000 is perfectly reasonable. In the same way that threatening to illegally detain is a halfway compromise between nothing and threatening murder.

And it seems that imprisoning political opponents goes beyond carting down a hill in a shopping trolley which is what we here overseas associate with “jackass”, but what do I know.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 30 points 7 months ago

We are not okay. Nothing will happen to him about it, though. He can be literally court ordered to not talk shit about courtroom staff or families, then talk shit about them, and he gets nothing other than a reduced bond and an extension to pay that.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

https://images.app.goo.gl/fQWwqgb2CPyjUDkM7

Jokes aside, if the US falls to fascism, it’s gonna be a massive problem for Europe. Imagine fascists in charge of the biggest nation with a history of colonialism, and the world’s largest stockpile of nukes.

It would be awesome if the other first-world nations started taking this threat seriously, before it’s too late.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We need the world to issue sanctions against the US. Please sanction us. We lost control of the government and need your help

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Europe? Nuclear war is a threat to all animals on earth.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

Very true. But I doubt elephants have the capacity to intervene.

[–] tarmarbar@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

European here.

This comment takes assumption that by "US falling to fascism" you meant Trump taking control of the USA. Please ignore everything if I misunderstood.

Trump's among the few US presidents that didn't start a new war. Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2A22QR/

He also scaled down wars in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. I AM NOT SAYING THOSE ACTIONS WERE GOOD OR BAD FOR THE USA, or for the rest of the world for that matter. And I'm really not qualified to discuss that.

This comment is ONLY a direct reply to a concern that Trump's rule should have Europe worried in the sense that he'll nuke us.

Maybe someone else nukes us as a consequence of his inaction, idk. But Trump nuking Europe is what you said, and I disagree.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I’m not talking about trump, actually. He’s just a carnival barker. If he wins the next election, he’ll do whatever his handlers want him to do, which will hasten things. But him losing will not stop the fascist movement in progress. There’s a group of actual fascists who have been working on this for decades. Some are in Congress, some are high up in organisations like the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society (writing bills and selecting judges), and others are consultants and advisers.

I’m actually concerned that when trump loses, people will think the threat has passed. His loss will mitigate it somewhat, but it won’t stop them. A large part of the threat is Christian nationalists in Congress, the Supreme Court, and in many other seats of power throughout the country.

[–] tarmarbar@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago

Got it, ignore what I said then, I don't have enough knowledge to talk about what you're talking about.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago

legislators choose to do nothing for about half a year before slowly murmuring...

Let me correct that for you: legislators pointing this out are prevented from doing anything because the opposing party has enough numbers to stop anything from happening that'd piss off their base regarding trump.

And no, we're not ok

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

His cult will eat that shit up, completely forgetting he promised to lock up Hillary Clinton and they all ate that up too.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 9 points 7 months ago

Fortunately they are a minority. Unfortunately the US isn't a democracy

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Trump himself isn’t going to do anything.

Who would be the ones arresting them.

[–] SpeakingColors 9 points 7 months ago

That's kind of how the whole thing could/should fall apart. "Authority" gives a command and someone down the chain has to enact it, if that person or persons above the chain refused to act - there would be conflict, but hopefully the opportunity for realization that authority gave an objectionable command. The cynical take is that any number of enthusiastic appeasers would enact the command to engratiate themselves to the authority in the system, defeating the message of the refusal.

Unfortunately, much of American machismo includes stepping on others to get a better view, or to be viewed more prominently by favored authority. So to answer your question, there's probably a dishearteningly large pool of people who would jump at the tasks Trump would dictate.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 months ago

Random federal agents like when Trump's admin sent a bunch of anonymous feds against protestors to stir shit up and make secret arrests

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The FBI, DHS, ATF, or similar member of the alphabet army. The POTUS has a lot of minions with the authority to arrest you.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Which was the one shoving people into unmarked vans in 2020, DHS? That's the one it will be, I'd put money on it.

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

I don't think we ever got a real answer on that one, since the vans and the agents were unmarked. So just straight-up kidnapping.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And this is different than Assange and Snowden?

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago

Whataboutism

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 4 points 7 months ago

Biden and democrats won't do shhiiittttt

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

Just like his owner Putler does in moscovia

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Kind of rich how you guys are against arresting your political opponents after what is currently happening to trump and the jan 6th prosecutions. You guys dont give a shit about justice, you just want to win, and its going to screw all of us.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The people who were arrested were arrested for breaking laws not simply "being Republicans." Don't let some dumb shit media propagandist make you think you're being persecuted for being Republican, it's absurd.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How many people were arrested and convicted for jan 6th vs all of the George Floyd riots?

[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

open ddg
search "George Floyd protest arrests"
mfw there were many, many arrests

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Exactly, now look at how many convictions there were.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

This is such a smoothbrain take it isn’t even worth addressing

[–] resin85@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for reminding us that the maga brain is utterly incapable of critical thinking. Actually breaking the law is quite a bit different from Fox news throwing wild accusations at someone.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love how you guys default to "BUT YOU ARE A MGAGA THAT LOVE TO SUCK ON SEAN HANITIES DICK!!!!!!!" Shocker for you, I am not going to vote for trump. I actually think and care about the future, and am not a mouth breather that just repeats the lines you are told.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With the maga cult lies that you just peddled in your previous comment, I don't believe you

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe you should try to look at things outside of your cult and realize what is actually happening, not just repeat the lines you are told.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah the I'm rubber you're glue approach, solid.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As if you actually provided any sort of argument. The maga people equally in a cult as you are dude.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol cupcake you're implying that the jan 6 prosecutions and trump's prosecutions are, despite the mountain of evidence about them, not justice and just political stunts. You're so full of shit your eyes are brown. At this point maga cultists like yourself probably have a worse grasp on reality than scientologists

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hint: dont start your comment with an insult or the rest of it wont be read.

[–] NattyNatty2x4 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Snowflake says what?