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[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll repost a comment I made before again here:

If you have half the population each have 1 investment property. You must have the other half renters. You literally want to create two classes. Those with investment properties and those with no property. One class above another. You’re just using billionaires as a shield. You want to put yourself in a class above other people.

We should all work so that each person has one home.

And the “I don’t want to work until I die” should be covered by social insurance/social security instead of making someone else a renter.

context: https://lemmy.ca/comment/4927203

[–] fuckyou@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

Capitalism is literally moving us back into feudalism. Everything is for sale. Even democracy, it seems. Perhaps fascism would be more profitable? Market is bullish on fascism!

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago

No, corporate buyers and lack of regulation is pricing out first time buyers.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago

Robert Kavcic, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets, told Global News “as much as a quarter to maybe a third or slightly more of certain markets are being bought up by multiple property purchasers or investors. So (that is) adding another layer of competition to first time buyers that are actually looking to get into the housing market for a place to live.”

If true that's fucking nuts. That sort of thing needs to be taxed so hard to no longer make it profitable. We all understand that you don't go for seconds until everyone has eaten, but when it comes to a basic human need like shelter, people say FYGM.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I feel like I'm missing something. Don't we have a housing shortage, not merely an "owner-occupied" home shortage or a "rental" home shortage? Somebody please tell me what I'm missing.

If too many homes were owned by investors and rented out, why aren't rented homes more affordable? If you say, "greedy landlords," are you suggesting that the roughly 1.4 million landlords in Canada (source) are all effectively colluding? I find that highly implausible.

If we had sufficient housing supply for the demand in general, wouldn't that result in lower prices to both rent and own, depending on what's right for each individual?

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

AirBnB's a significant part of the issue. Short term rentals don't provide a place for people to actually live, while often providing a higher return over the short term than a long term rental unit.

Real estate speculators, too, add extra pressure to the housing market. Speculators often don't rent the property out at all, and attempt to treat housing as a raw commodity, buying up homes and just waiting for real estate prices to increase as the bubble continues to grow.

There may be real housing constraints in the country, but they're severely exacerbated by the view of housing as capital, rather than as homes.

[–] fuckyou@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago

Look, capitalism works. There are no problems and everybody is happy. As long as we keep pumping out children and just build build build, and then skim some off the top and invest in lawyers and lobbyists to change democracy for the better, we will all be rich and also ok.

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is homeless waiting for a home to be built they can purchase. There isn't a physical housing shortage.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that building affordable homes wouldn't help anyone escape homelessness?

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Homeless people aren't usually the class that can secure a mortgage or have the cash to purchase a home regardless of the affordability of the home.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

Right, but you can also rent affordable housing...

[–] a9249@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

Theres no one single issue, but all of the above happening at once AND a population boom at the same time to top it off. We need an all-of-the-above approach to fix it too. Remove zoning restrictions, make lending for multiplexes easier, build public housing as fast and as much as possible, and found new towns... to name a few.

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

It's both.

If you just look at supply and demand graphs.

Where S is supply, D is demand, N is number of people, I is number of investors, and P is price you'd have:

  1. S[=N+0]=D[=N+0], P-
  2. S[=N+0]N+0]>D[=N+0], P▼
  3. S[N+0]>D[=N+0], P▼
  4. S[>N+I]>D[=N+I], P▼
[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The root cause is the supply not keeping up with demand. Any proposed solution that does not include building like mad is ultimately going to fall short.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

The problem really is twofold: yes, it is supply, but there's also an extreme amount of reticence to do anything about both supply and speculation.

This is largely because the profits of the current system accrue to people who bear experience none of the pain of it (which is also why healthcare is broken, and why transit is broken, and why nothing gets done about climate change). Taxes are kept low, assets keep going up and it takes very little effort to stay rich. And money talks.

"Building like mad" isn't going to happen because "building just enough to stop people from rioting" is more profitable. No builder is going to build public housing when they can make more on McMansions and condos, and no homeowner or speculator wants to see policies that would increase their tax burden or decrease the value of their asset.

Building like mad would help, but you'd achieve similar effects by smacking down the investment side of the problem, without requiring the government to, eg, directly buy equipment, supplies and employ tradespeople to build homes, which they'd have to do as bribing developers to do it doesn't seem to work. Plus, if you tax speculation hard, maybe you can use that tax revenue to build?

The real, core issue, though, is housing in Canada at the moment is the perfect neoliberal failure, and our policymakers are so wedded to neoliberal orthodoxy that the solution (massive, direct public investment) isn't just heretical, it's inconcievable. Most of our MPs/MPPs/MLAs and civil servants don't even remember a pre-Reagan/Thatcher era of massive public investment. They don't seem to understand it's even an option.