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[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I like how some people are claiming americans are aware of this lol

If most americans were sufficiently aware and organizing against it accordingly (if they're not organizing, they're not aware enough) the imperialist gov would already have been toppled.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Some zoomers and some millennials know it. Boomers don't know or actually think it's a good thing, with some rare exceptions.

Either way your take is extremely juvenile and simplistic. There's a lot more at play with revolutions than people knowing their country did something bad. It takes a lot more than that to get people off their ass, with very few exceptions historically, and even those exceptions are usually led by rich people looking out for themselves.

People need to have their own livelihoods threatened before they do anything. And there are always power systems in place that deliberately make it hard for people to organize.

[–] turkishdelight@lemmy.ml 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

America is everthing Americans claim China and Russia to be.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Don't you think there are better, more recent examples of this?

(Oh, I missed the instance I was on lol)

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

? The most recent one is the ongoing genocide in Palestine that the US and its colony is committing.

No, "israel" isn't a separate entity. It was formed as a general western settler colony in Palestine using british colonization tactics, and has been functioning as an american one.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

China has an active genocide, and they have some pretty strong nationalism and propaganda.

Russia is currently brutally invading another country, and they don't even get real elections.

The fact that the US was the only one of the world's major powers you could list as an example doing atrocious shit that also has a history with propaganda, is telling.

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The US has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2, and its government is thus directly or indirectly responsible for a large part of the suffering in the world right now — be it directly through wars, genocides/massacres, sanctions, embargoes, or indirectly through economic imperialism or neocolonialism — so yes, that should be the first country anyone comes up with. Probably also because I happen to be from one of its victim countries.

China has an active genocide

All claims of this come from imperial core countries or "independent" orgs funded by its corporations.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation and delegates from dozens of Global South countries approve of China's handling of the ETIM (a problem deliberately created by the US through Afganistan by the way) and deny western claims. This lines up with what the hundreds of millions of annual tourists to the region say.

Between the western govs responsible for killing, and continuing to kill, millions of muslims in the past few decades alone throughout Africa, Middle-East, Asia, and global south countries without a recent history of doing so (they are the victims rather), I for one know which not to trust.

Russia

The US colony has killed three times more civilians in its genocide in the past few months than the Russian military has in 2 years in its proxy war with the US. This isn't remotely comparable.

[–] Meatballs@mander.xyz 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Gotta love the "but is China REALLLLLLLY committing a genocide if China denies it" angle

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

China denies it

Who cited China?

The majority of countries denying the western claims are muslim-majority Global South ones

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're using alt accounts to manipulate votes, lol

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So you're saying 6 people independently check your comments and upvote them within less than a minute, and then come back to do it again when you comment, within a minute? Just strange is all I'm saying

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The comment I replied to also had 4 upvotes and some downvotes in 1 or 2 minutes. Just means the thread is active.

Edit: Most of the new comments not taking the US's side also have exactly 3 downvotes right now. Are those alts? Lol

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[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What are you on about? This post is literally about the US...

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What are you on about? Incapable of following the comment chain? I'm not a top level comment

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Idk man. As far as I understood, the main post is about the US, which the comment you replied to also talked about. And then you're wondering why that person talked about the US and not other countries.

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[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 months ago

Could someone explain the joke to me? I'm not very smart.

[–] Arelin@lemmy.zip 16 points 7 months ago

Reminder that the empire from Star Wars is a stand-in for the US, while the rebels represent the Viet Cong.

US military playing 'The Imperial March' from Star Wars on a loudspeaker while heading to Gaza

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 7 months ago

Fox news calling the US an empire is not new. How old do you all think the moniker "Empire State" is? It's wild how it's in our language but we just don't think about it.

[–] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 10 points 7 months ago

Big nation go ooga fuck around n find out; hamburgerland munition go boom

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

imperialism is shitty.

But America really is the greatest nation in the world. On account of the fact that 100% of working class people here in the US hate what their government is doing.

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

would you please clarify what you mean: what is the government doing that 100% of working class people in the US hate?

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't follow the news much, do you?

[–] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 1 points 7 months ago

To the contrary: there are so many potential stances if you take “100%” as a ballpark. But I think we’ve fallen into a common pitfall of non-verbal communication: I wasn’t trying to argue with you. I was simply asking for clarification out of curiosity.

If it’s any consolation, I should point out that I do agree with you in thinking that America is great. We have our share of problems, some dire and heartbreaking. However it is my conviction that, given enough time, during which we will inevitably bear witness to many more injustices, they will be solved, if never to a satisfactory degree, that being the nature of progress.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And UNO is the avatar that they won't allow to exist. Or their fake avatar.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

Not sure how a card game played by children has a resemblance to the Avatar.