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*In terms of privacy, customisation, camera quality, and battery time.

For the longest time I have only used either iPhone or Samsung. I plan on switching to Android for the next phone I get, but I find that Samsung phones are often too big for me and put too much energy on camera quality (I don’t take many photos). I have started to look into brands such as Nokia and Motorola, and I would like to know what you guys think of them. Additionally, do you suggest any other phone brands aside from them? My biggest priorities are privacy and long battery time. Bonus if the phone can run LineageOS (I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

Thank you for any answers. Cheers!

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[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Mazoku@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

This made me laugh

[–] viking@infosec.pub 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

OnePlus.

I'd never buy Samsung again, they are full of bloat and make it excessively hard to unlock the bootloader and get root access or install an alternative OS.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Samsung support is also a straight up scam. They'll lie to your face about how they're getting ready to send you a replacement, and then ghost you. I hope the feds sue them too but I'm not holding my breath. We filed a complaint with our state's AG and fuck all came of it.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 18 points 7 months ago

For me it has to be Fairphone. They are more expensive than the others to buy new but they are more aligned with openness and free software. They receive updates for a long time, are well supported by CalyxOS, /e/os, Linux mobile OSs etc, are repairable, you can carry extra batteries, usually have an SD card slot and two SIM slots and are more environmentally-friendly than others.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What phone brand do you like the best?

(I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

You're asking this on the privacy mag and intentionally/explicitly exclude the best privacy option with no explanation.

Wtf.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 11 points 7 months ago

GrapheneOS isn’t a phone brand.

[–] vfosnar 10 points 7 months ago

second hand Xiaomi + flash Lineage, good hardware for the price, community support

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Why exclude GrapheneOS? It's a really good mobile OS, and the creator has given his reasons for only supporting Pixels.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sony. They still have a headphone jack.

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also asus (at least zenphone)

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Headphone Jack club

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

xiaomi has awesome hardware, audio jack, sd slot, even ir blaster.

their privacy policy is bad, but a lot of them have official lineageos (and microg-patched lineage) and it works really really well.

[–] melooone@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Currently in the process of installing Lineageos on my brothers redmi note 10 pro.

Its a huge pain compared to my phone, mainly because unlocking the bootloader requires an account with his number connected. Then I had to install Windows to use their shitty unlock app, which the requires you to wait up to 30 days for seemingly no reason. Luckily "just" a week for us.

But yeah the hardware is amazing.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yes the unlock process is obtuse as fuck! they do something similar to samsung and their RMM bullshit of having to wait.

luckily, unlike samsung, after its done they wont bother you again.

[–] SeramisV@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

Its actually so good that the redmi note 8 (with lineageos-mucrog) I had before performed basically the same as my pixel 6a

[–] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

The mod on this post is on such a humongous power trip lmao. Someone needs a reality check and a few slaps.

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The downside of Google Pixels is that they don't have jack connector and sd slot.

But I accepted the deal just to use GrapheneOS (I bought one used on ebay). Sometimes the battery lasts 3 days without being recharged.

People at GrapheneOS should really focus on some brand that cares about users on the hardware side.

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

another good place to buy a used one is https://swappa.com

[–] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Which pixel is getting you that battery life? My 6 has been struggling to make it through a day on GrapheneOS recently.

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

6a. Though I don't use the phone that much, most of the battery is drained by Telegram FOSS.

Here are two old screenshotsscreenshot n1 screenshot n2

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Only with physical access, which nowaday nobody does.

I wouldn't put it past an insurance company.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If privacy is important, a custom ROM is highly recommended or rather mandatory. Most brands have locked boot loader which can't be unlocked immediately without voiding warranty. Some let you to using some bs proprietary software but only after few months. That was the only reason I had to resort to getting a pixel. So look into all the brands available to you and check their policy on custom rooms before looking into the mobile themselves.

[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

adb debloating is adequate.
there may be additional steps for LOS privacy.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

If you don't remove play service and shit without being unable to use payment apps and other shut, it's not gonna work for majority. Those are worst offenders that have to be removed for privacy.

[–] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You can't just recommend Pinephone.
It is at best an half baked device. Phone calls are not that good and I had to manually enable VoLTE and flashed a custom firmware on the modem.

[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

it ha physical killswitchs. thats pretty appealing if u need that.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Not under your specs but the Sony Xperia line offers a headphone jack + microSD, can be unlocked, & has flagship specs (1 & 5). The 5 & 10 models are also smaller devices that actually fit in one hand too. This characteristic combo does not come in the other models folks are suggesting. Older models have LineageOS for microG support if you want an ungoogled phone (but beware the stock camera app is trash).

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i loved my XZ2 Compact SO MUCH and then all the carriers in my country simultaneously dropped voice calling support for it. i'm still so salty

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Because we need innovation, even if we got on just fine then

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I like fairphone the best out of all the ones that are currently available, however, my next phone will be a Pixel 8A because grapheneos doesn't support fairphone

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Also no plans to support it. It meets their requirement of long support.

Me too fairphone for the repairability of it and long update support.

[–] Neps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oneplus with lineage os is pretty good but they sorta make it a pain to unlock the bootloader if the phone was not originally factory unlocked.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

Xiaomi and Oneplus have some battery beasts of phones.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As I usually unlock bootloader, I just buy cheap Chinese phones from around 100 bucks, right now I'm using a FreeYond M5 5G. Debloated and rooted. Working like a charm.

Edit: I prefer Motorola over Nokia.

[–] penquin@lemmy.kde.social 5 points 7 months ago

I just got a OnePlus 12 and this phone is fantastic. Bootloader is unlocked and you can do whatever you want. Battery is amazing. Charger is insane. Camera is more than decent. Price is very reasonable for what it offers.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 4 points 7 months ago

Custom ROM support relies a lot on a phone either being unique in some nerdy kind of way or having widespread community interest (especially appeal to Indian consumers since many community developers are Indian). The Google Pixel and Fairphone lines consistently have great support due to the first reason, while cheaper Chinese brands often have decent support for the second reason. Nokia is in a bad position in both respects - its phones are neither interesting or particularly cheap/good value for money - so its support is generally pretty bad.

If you plan to just use a phone with the stock ROM then they are all equally bad when it comes to leakage to Google. However brands that try hard to force you into their heavily modified Android ecosystems like Samsung and Xiaomi are particularly bad for privacy since they have a ton of extra data collection built in that is either forced or suggested to you quite heavily (many features are locked behind additional privacy policies and account logins). You are better off going with something as light as possible in that case. Since you mentioned Motorola, I'll add that I have a razr 2023 and beyond a few optional apps that I can disable, it is pretty standard Android with no additional data collection or accounts required. Motorola phones can have dogshit software support, though. Like this one I have is less than a year old and it's already taking them 4 months to push an update.

[–] Zeroxxx@lemmy.id 3 points 7 months ago

Samsung Ultra all the way. It has top of the world hardware, software support

AND I can customize my phone the way I want.

[–] caesaravgvstvs@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

I've asked a similar question not long ago and the consensus was pixel, even though I had already ruled them out in my question.

I still haven't changed phones but I'm leaning on a nothing 2a, since it's reasonably priced for the storage that I want.

However, I've been looking at phones based on the specs I want and check XDA forums and see how active they are, in the hopes I get a phone popular enough that has long term community support

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

I focus on the OS. However, I like the moto phones. I've had mine for 5 or 6 years and I don't have any reason to change.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

I'm using a SHIFT6mq with LineageOS. It's similar to the Fairphone (expensive, but repairable, sustainable, good Custom ROM support), but it's got a few different design decisions and much higher build quality compared to the FP3 I had before.

[–] headroom@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

I don't get people claiming stock iPhone is private. We literally have very little idea. It's a closed system. It's private if you take Apple's word but all the other manufacturers also have similar claims. Why trust Apple and not them?

On top of that you end up locked into their ecosystem, unable to use most FOSS applications or have cut down versions of them because daddy Apple didn't like some features.

[–] Senpai@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Well Nokia is a no no They don't allow bootloader unlock, I would recommend that you check which privacy oriented custom ROM you want to install and check the supported phones they have listed and buy one of those models for installing the ROM

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

The hardware is wholly unremarkable, but the pixel line supports Graphene. Custom Roms are a necessity if you care about privacy even a little bit, but there are other options.

Unfortunately in many places, illegal searches are the rule, not the exception and as such security is almost as critical. If you need security AND privacy there is simply no substitute.

Motorola hardware looks kinda nice though...

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