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Critically acclaimed Dragon's Dogma 2 hits "mostly negative" on Steam after players raze it for microtransactions (www.rockpapershotgun.com)
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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 151 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Admittedly, most of the "Mostly Negative" Steam reviews seem to be reacting to the fact they exist at all, without considering whether they're actually critical to your progress in the game or not (for clarity, they are not).

I didn’t know we were only allowed to write reviews based on things critical to your progress. I didn’t know how many companions you have or what your character looks like weren’t critical. I bet if we searched even a little we’d find a RockPaperShotgun review of “non critical” game features.

What horseshit.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 70 points 6 months ago

MTX have become normalized and it's fucking depressing to see. So many people defend their existence, truly a sad time for the industry.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I get what they mean. A lot of the MTX seems to be items that you genuinely would find very readily in the game. Paying simply gives you a type of “very easy” mode if you’re for some reason inclined.

It’s a…. Strange decision, as it makes the game look bad. But by all accounts it doesn’t really impact the gameplay of the game. It’s just like giving you the option buy Phoenix Downs in Final Fantasy with real money. You… can. You really don’t need to, 98% of players won’t.

It’s goofy more than anything. I guess I’d rather have it rather than day 1 expansion packs like Mass Effect had.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I love how certain consumers seems to have trained away their gag reflex.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The thing is they made these features as part of the core gameplay then charged for them. It isn’t like you’re paying for a boost or game mode or special companion or something. You’re given the option to earn these features through playing a single player game or pay money and get them faster.

Literally carving out chunks of the base game and offering them up for money as if it is added value. The only value is saving time IN A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. If your single player game has elements that are so tedious or cumbersome that people will literally PAY MORE MONEY to get them on their terms you purposefully built a worse game than you could have.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I got AC:Odyssey during one of the sale cause I dig Greek mythology, had to get cheat engine and spare me the grind for upgrading gears and ship. Like sure you can just keep picking up randomly dropped Epic/Rare and replacement them when you leveling up(there are even player quest that put in specific spot to give you resource for those upgrades, just so other players can farm it) But I ain't get any time for that, I just cheat engine in max out resource and upgrade my Legendary gears I found through out the game. And you know what? By the end of the game(and I didn't find every Legendary, like maybe 60~70% of them) it would take me setting the resource to max twice to fully upgrade all my legendary + epic(with perks I like) gears. It would take probably months of my gaming time should I got it on console and can not use cheat engine.

No, upgrade gear is not required to finish the game. But after this experience I decides to never get another Ubisoft AC game nor any RPG on console or with always online feature(which means all transaction are done and authenticated to prevent cheating. ) I've done plenty open world, RPG, Monster Hunters without having to cheat. But the recent single player grinding + selling time saver booster pack make me whip out the cheat engine again. And I only cheat those stupid resource gating game that are designed to pad hours in to your play through.

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Jupp. The thing with selling booster is that the company is saying "our game isn't worth your time so here is a way to skip playing the game".

Like wtf? I pay money for a game to pay money to skip the game?

I can't fathom how people are willing to do that.

Like going to the movies, paying for a ticket, giving the cashier like 10bugs extra and the you go home without watching the movie.

If someone would tell you they do this you would think they are fucking crazy.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, they know they are doing though, they are aiming for those that work 9-5 have life and kids and some spare changes and milk them hard. Like this game would take 200 hours to complete fully with X hundreds of hours of post game content that was designed to make your grind, but you can also pay for this [xp booster, resource pack, legendary set, etc] to make sure you can enjoy the post game content if you don't have the time to grind the game how it's "meant to be played".

In my AC:Odessey example, I think at one point the designer might be doing a heavy zelda influenced where you just pick up stuff enemies dropped and the blacksmiths are there for you to repair items broken as resource dump. (which make sense and very fitting of that era and how resource would work) But once that MTX department put their finger in now you have a derailed system. There is a spread sheet that list the hours required to upgrade a legendary piece to which level, and recommended level to get them(as their starting level is fixed and not like the enemy droppped item that matches your level), I saw the numbers and downloaded the cheat engine table the next hour.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Especially ones like Minotaur who just started commenting on Lemmy 3 days ago…

What timing.

Edit: don’t forget that sometimes people post in defederated instances and sometimes app developers for your lemmy app are so behind that shit isn’t even loading for you properly anymore

[–] deur@feddit.nl 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not everything has to be a conspiracy, stupid people are created often.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

I am not stupid because I have a differing opinion about video games than you do. Touch grass.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not stating anything as fact.

Just pointing out what facts were there and my obvious feelings about said fact.

But okay ig you can put me in that boat if you really want.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No you aren’t. You just made it up. I have comments going back months

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 3 points 6 months ago

This app I’m using doesn’t show all the posts or the instances you post in are defederated from my instance.

My bad. I’ll delete the og comment

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No I didn’t? I’ve had this account for months. I’m even a donor

Not only are you conspiratorial - you’re just wrong.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago

I again, never said anything about conspiracy, was just pointing out what I was able to see. Like I said in my other comment, I can only see shit you’ve been commenting up to a day ago. So either the app I’m using is busted as fuck, your instance is busted as fuck, or some other option - but I’ve only ever commented on what I was able to see.

Hopefully you understand where I’m coming from here.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

It “stinks”, but I don’t really care if the game is good without interacting with the MTX at all. I just don’t

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 10 points 6 months ago

"Of course they don't stop progress... you'll just be stuck grinding for way way longer with our patented unfun^tm^ systems unless you pay, ~~peasant~~ valued consumer"

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"how many companions you have"

????? Renting companions of your level has always been free, they only cost rift crystals if they are higher than you. Killing strong monsters and getting your pawn rented give plenty resources.

The character creation tome is easy to get, idk what to tell you.

If you want to throw horseshit to a wall, not this one please. If you had played the game you wouldn't have even mentioned half of what you did.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“They only cost rift crystals if they’re a higher level than you”

Ah yes this is additional value and content that you should pay money for, right? It’s not core gameplay to recruit companions regardless of their level like in almost every fucking game I’ve ever played right?

Imagine licking boot so hard that you actually believe this

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Rift crystals are an in game currency, you don't need to pay money for it! I've been recruiting companions 1-4 lvls above me all the time, I'm lvls 30 now, with the in game currency. The higher the pawn is you get less exp so it's not something that you should do anyway.

Imagine thinking that renting a LVL 200 companion is core gameplay. Geez...

This game is an improvement over the first one in almost all sides, with great content. It's stupid reading all this takes from people that clearly have not played it, let alone the original.

And before you mention the eternal ferrystone from the original, that came with the expansion, not the release.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s ok that I can buy in game currency for my singer player game! It’s fine! It’s good actually! Recruiting high level companions, a THING THEY BUILT INTO THE BASE GAME DELIBERATELY THEN LET YOU PAY EXTRA FOR, using in game currency I can buy isn’t pay2win. Recruiting companions isn’t even core gameplay if they’re strong enough, bro.

It’s ok that Capcom sent reviewers a game without micro transactions that were in retail! That’s fine, it’s fine! The microtransactions were paying for now were expansions before so it’s uh…it’s better, yeah. I actually prefer my $70 USD single player games to have gameplay benefitting microtransactions.

You sound like you’ve swallowed the boot my guy. You’re so far gone you can’t see the way back. Glad you’re enjoying the game, though. Sounds like it was worth it to you.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

I'm gonna ignore all that stuff you extrapolated from my strawman.

Anyway, of course I'm enjoying it! I loved the original and this is the same and more. This is a great game with BS corporate microtransactions sprinkled in. I agree that the MTXs are BS, but saying that the game was designed around baiting the player into using them outs you as someone that wouldn't enjoy the first one nor the intended gameplay, so it's kinda pointless dosucssing further.

Have fun lying to yourself about the intended mechanics I guess.

[–] freijon@feddit.ch 8 points 6 months ago

Even if you don't play mobile games, this is a good read: https://www.darkpattern.games/

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You’re not supposed to actually know anything about the game here. This is purely a thread for circlejrrking based off of what YouTubers said

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Full price games with microtransactions are negative, end of story. Everybody saying otherwise grew up after they where implemented in every other game so they don't know better.

They got trained, like animals, to swallow that shit.

[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

I grew up after them. I think they’re fine in certain circumstances. If the game is supposed to have free content updates for weeks and months and whatever else after launch then yeah sure, why not

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[–] Computerchairgeneral@fedia.io 88 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The microtransactions are bad enough, but the fact that none of these were present in the build given to reviewers just makes it worse. I mean people would still be complaining about them, but I don't think the backlash would be as bad if Capcom had made it clear from the start that the game was going to be riddled with microtransactions.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Any reviews released in the first week of a game should be taken with a grain of salt and any reviews released on or before launch day should be completely discarded.

With all the 'day one' patches games have, reviewers should be playing the game from launch, on the same version as everyone else. If they have any integrity.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 60 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We are back to the arcade era where you had to put in more coins to get lives and the games are intensionally hard and unfair to get more coins.

[–] oo1@kbin.social 3 points 6 months ago

Continue . . . 10 . . . 9 .. . 8

[–] Turious@leaf.dance 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is what I was afraid of 15 years ago. I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game. This release is so disgusting.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They expect you to spend $60 on a game plus microtransactions?

I put away 50 to 100+ hours into games that cost me $15. Why doesn't everybody else do this? Does high-end 3D graphics actually matter that much to people?

[–] Xenxs@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

It does, unsurprisingly.

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a AAA game.

BG3

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 23 points 6 months ago

I've waited ten years for this game and am loving playing it now that it's out but I'm still giving a negative review and not buying any MTX.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

This gives me hope that all gamers won't just roll over and take it. But Capcom could react in different ways, they could do better or they could just quit releasing games on Steam. Wonder if they have already asked if Steam could disable reviews for them?