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This is another post that alerted me of this.

https://lemmy.world/post/13287681

And here is the modlog:

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity

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[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 158 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.

Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.

Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol

[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 70 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I'm not sure). One of the factors for sure.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 67 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it's infuriating.

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[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The dev really needs to change that then.

Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it's of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)

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[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 60 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why are people joining .world to begin with?

Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.

Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)

[–] Evoliddaw@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago

In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.

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[–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 50 points 11 months ago

Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It's like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages

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[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 143 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373

TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn't realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.

Please don't harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don't like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren't a lemmy.world user, then this doesn't affect you at all.

I'm proud of our community here, and it's their loss, not ours! pirate captain giving the thumbs up

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 64 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The translation is, "It wasn't us don't get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us." I don't really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they're just saying that they don't have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.

If we've learned anything from centralised platforms it's that size doesn't protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 124 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.

EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now...

EDIT2: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If there's anything they should be spooked by, it's the pitchforks!

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.

[–] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well at least they honored their commitments /s

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be fair they do say they "need to be" transparent, not that they were going to be :p

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[–] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

That's unfortunate.

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 11 points 11 months ago

I'm doubtful

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 11 months ago (1 children)

average lemmy.world moment

being the biggest has it's problems

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] CapitanStrider@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Luckily it doesn't affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.

[–] fuwa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.

It's a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that's the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what's going on)

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised

I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅

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[–] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Sigh.

On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances

[–] Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn't get the last memo.

Edit: the community -> their users

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[–] Blaze@dormi.zone 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks

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[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 49 points 11 months ago

Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 46 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago

Honestly, seeing enough of their posts and discussions over the months turned me from left-leaning to a full-blown commie

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[–] Fitik@fedia.io 42 points 11 months ago

Another reason why I like Fediverse

If Lemmy.world would have full control over it, this community would just get banned, but there's more and it is still accessable from all other places

[–] Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn't want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they're anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.

What does that mean for the average user? It means there's more incentive to move to better instances. It's when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.

Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there's less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.

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[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago (9 children)

If we're to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nah I wouldn't want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago

But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn't help reddit is another centralized system, then that's really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago

A disunited federation is still a federation.

AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.

Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.

[–] rar@discuss.online 11 points 11 months ago

Sigh. At least the benefits of federation include being free to move into other instances while LW can pull stuff like this (probably because they get the heat from being the largest instance).

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago

I made a account last time lemmy.wold blocked this community. Seems like il be sticking with this account for now

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