Linux

Of course it's stable.

Just like with Windows, the more advanced stuff you do, the more advanced problems you'll have.

If you just wanna set and forget, avoid arch based and you're golden.

Keep in mind that all the people who are just happily going about their day to day with it and not having issues are probably not posting. The only reason most people make posts is to complain about something or get assistance troubleshooting an issue. It also really depends on what all you want to do with it.

One of my favorite things about Linux is this: you can try it. Get a thumb drive, get Rufus or Etcher. Download Mint, Ubuntu, something with a "Live Linux". Boot from the thumb drive, spend an hour or two surfing, clicking around, seeing if things work. 2018, you had like an 80% chance of a flawless experience. 2024, it's way higher! Plus, the alternatives have gotten slower, more bloated, more interested in monetizing you than serving you, so even if it feels strange, and you have to relearn some stuff, more than ever, it might be worth it.

Even if it didn't work quite right, keep the thumb drive around. The number of times I've rescued an important file off of a messed up system using a thumb drive with Mint on it? You'd be surprised.

the dark secret of linux is that there are just as many people who dont understand how to solve problems and resort to searching the correct way to shake a dead chicken as with every other platform.

Ever read some of the microsoft forums? Just as many people seeking help there - the only difference is we don't have an over eager paid employee replying with scripted answers which don't help.

Linux is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Most of the mainstream distros "just work" on most hardware. I've installed Mint, Rocky, Ubuntu and Debian on laptops and desktops for relatives, including those who aren't remotely technically gifted. It was as easy/easier as Windows to install, set up and get running. The users are happy - they can use cheaper hardware (and don't need to upgrade a perfectly good laptop for Windows 11) and are entirely free of software costs and subscriptions. Everything works and things don't break - just like Windows and Macs. Most people just want their computer to turn on and let them run stuff. All three do that equally as well.

I've also installed linux on hardware clusters costing hundreds of thousands of pounds and that definitely wasn't a simple or quick process, but that's the nature of the task. Actually, installing the base os was probably the easiest part. Windows just isn't an option for that.

You ask a fair question - you're not unique in your viewpoint and that's probably hampered takeup more than anything else. What makes you a bit better than most is that you actually ask the question and appear to be open to the answers.

Yes. Install Linux Mint and be done. Just works. A lot of "problems" people have are because they enjoy tinkering and that will sometimes break stuff. Leave it alone and it'll be very stable.

Maybe you are seeing issues as the people who don't have issues rarely post.

What's your setup? I can tell you if there are things you might have issues with.

If you leave it alone, it's practically always fine. But the urge to tinker is strong!

It's perfectly stable. Linux just generally attracts people who like to tinker and tweak things, in particular because it's much easier to do and gives you a lot of power and flexibility in making the machine your own.

My laptop running Arch Linux has remained problem-free for the last 6 years or so since I installed it.

In general it's pretty stable. That being said, especially when you're using bleeding edge hardware, it's not perfect.

Take my Radeon 7800 XT as an example. I'm using Linux on my desktop as of January 1st pretty much, and decided I'll go for Fedora as it's pretty up-to-date in terms of kernel releases but also has a great out-of-the-box experience. Kernel 6.6 has been pretty good for me, but newer kernels (6.7.x and 6.8) have issues with my setup. Engaging VRR (variable refresh rate) after the computer wakes up from standby leads to part of the screen flickering white for a few frames every now and then, and eventually the system crashes. Up to 6.7.4 the GPU only output a black screen after standby or even after a warm restart. The latter has been resolved in 6.7.5 but the former issue has not. I've been following a few issues, adding a crash report here and there, trying patch files, but so far to no avail.

This means I'm basically stuck on 6.6 for now, which also means I'm compiling the kernel myself to get the latest patch release, as Fedora doesn't maintain 6.6 anymore.

I had even more issues with Nvidia combined with Wayland. Ironically, Intel Arc probably works the best in terms of stability in my experience.

I'm going to say that in terms of GPU stability, I had a better experience with Windows. Sure, the odd AMD driver release has issues, but Windows does a way better job in recovering from a GPU driver crash. The monolithic nature of Linux means a GPU driver crash will often kill the whole system. I had a case where the system recovered, but in a new desktop session with my running desktop applications orphaned somewhere (basically forcing me to restart). Windows usually just restarts the GPU driver (because it's mostly running in user space, which it isn't in Linux) and you can continue.

I also had an issue with my network adapter (Intel 2.5G onboard) dropping connection after several hours of use. A workaround involved editing boot parameters to prevent PCIe from going into some sort of power saving mode. Searching for the issue revealed that it's likely because how ASUS (mainboard) configured the onboard network adapter.

You'll also need to fiddle with Feral GameMode to properly pin games to the 3D cache cores on a 7950X3D. This is more "set and forget" with Windows Game Bar.

To be honest, Windows is a pretty solid OS from a technical perspective. It has its downsides, but so has Linux. Don't switch for an allegedly technical superior experience. Switch if you don't agree with what Microsoft is doing from a user experience perspective. That's why I switched.

All that being said, Linux at its core is super stable. I use Linux on a few servers for many, many years now, and I don't think I ever had a system crash.

I don't think you could go wrong with any of the top user/newb friendly distros. I see Mint mentioned a few times in these responses, and I agree, use Mint. It's a nice distro.

Just go ahead and try. You don't really need our permission to do that. Most distros support "live install" direct from the installation media, without making changes to your system. If you don't like it, reboot and you're back to whatever you had before

Have fun!

And to answer your double negation questions, yes and yes.

It depends what you want it to do. For basic stuff, linux desktop works fine. If you need specific software i'd look into if it's doable and how hard it is first.

Linux by default runs fine and without issues, if you pick a distro with stable releases. If you go with something like Arch, you likely will run into issues. If you want to do heavy modifications or run fancy software, you tend to run into issues. Thing about the fancy software is, it tenda to only work properly on linux, hence the issues being linux related.

If you're a gamer, just don't. A lot of people here will say you can run almost any game easily, but you usually need to do some fancy commands per specific game to get it to run properly. Which is fine if you just play one game occasionally, but if you hop between games or like buying the latest games, don't.

If you have a specific preference for desktop environment, make sure it comes with the distro and is well supported by it. You can install whatever you want on any distro, but you have more chance to break shit.

I'd go with Mint or Ubuntu for your first try.

I had far more issues on windows than I ever have on mint.

When I had issues on windows, which i would run into multiple times a week, the "fixes" would be hacky, slapped-together nonsense that don't even make sense on paper. I had to change almost every program manually to run as administrator. Installing old games was a nightmare and didn't always work properly, even with compatibility modes. New drivers would break stuff. Trying to learn anything new was a rabbit hole that took countless hours and then I only learned the fix for that one specific use-case, and not anything... overarching. System updates were so intrusive, installing crap I didn't want or removed manually, I disabled them completely. It was slow and boot took forever. Ending system processes via task manager didn't always work and the system would freeze often when something went wrong. Often uninstalling programs was messy and left shit all over in the system registry and files and you would have to defrag and system clean once it started getting bloated.

When my windows install finally broke completely just trying to get shit to work the way I wanted, I bailed.

Transitioning to mint was certainly a learning experience.

Reorganizing your workflow will always be more upfront work, but I found I took to the changes fairly quickly. I found the file structure the most odd, but I became very used to it and very much prefer it over how hard it is to find stuff spread scattershot in windows files. It had a lot of little quality of life things that I really appreciate, mounting and unmounting external drives felt better, way more stuff worked out of the box, old games were not a nightmare to get working because they're had longstanding fixes for years that actually make sense. Solutions, in general, make way more sense to me, and I actually get a sense that I understand why they function. My boot time is very fast and I've never broken my system (I came close once doing something incredibly stupid and very niche, but I just timeshifted back and voila, fixed.)

Fixes or changes for preference tend to "stick" for me, like when I swapped to pipewire myself it's been very smooth sailing. I can pick and choose updates or ignore packages that don't work. There was an issue with kernels for a while that significantly increased my boot times; I just postponed that update for a few versions until one of the newer ones worked. I find I can get down similar rabbit holes to learn some stuff, but it both feels more like "lasting" solutions (and I learn more about how to do other stuff) as well as just more fun. Documentation is a lot better with users who know what they're doing instead of the guesswork "well I dunno but this might have worked for me, I tried 20 fixes so it's probably one of these!" I would run into on windows troubleshooting...

I think my favourite part of linux is a lot of things I wanted solutions to, for years, usually have at least one person out there with a similar issue that wrote a small program that just does it. Does it well. For free. I spent so much time digging for really basic stuff like a sound equalizer that wasn't garbage, bloatware, full of trackers, or ransomware! I don't have to spend hours trying to find a stinkin' RGB controller that isn't awful because the choices available are just better! I don't have to spend weeks comparing and contrasting antivirus-es and hate all of them in the end!

I find mint extremely stable and have no urge to swap nor return to windows. I find it much more stable for my use-case. I really like it, actually, and I appreciate how a lot of it is set up. Been using it daily for 4 years.

I loathed windows the entire time I used it, and had been side-eyeing linux for quite a while before committing. I don't know if I'm a "normal" use-case, probably not. Possibly it is best to take my experience as, "if you keep hitting walls often in windows that frustrate the hell out of you, linux might be a decent choice for you, and might "feel easier."" Both have their own quirks and own troubleshooting, I just prefer the ones on mint and they make more sense to me. (And take me far less time.)

Search this community for the many other "Which OS" posts and you'll find many well explained options for what you seem to be seeking.

Constantly having issues

You're going to see a lot of issues on Linux boards because people go to then for help. I've been running Linux since 2020 and though there have been hiccups, its been remarkably reliable. Having said that, when there ARE issues, it can take some digging to find answers.

Is it not stable

Moreso than Win 11, in my experience. I use Win 11 at work and I've needed a system wipe twice. Once because networking just... stopped... and once because appx apps decided not to load.

Ongoing issues

Plugging PopOS as a good "set and forget" distro that is easy to grasp. The workflow is very MacOS and the tweaks they've made make for a friendlier interface v Ubuntu, IMO.

Part of Linux culture is customizing your system. Linux allows you to do much more with your computer, but some of these things require tinkering or might cause you to break your setup. If you don't tinker much things will most likely be stable, but having the ability to tinker is for me a major part of the appeal. What are you hoping to get out of using linux? It's a good alternative if you wanna make an old computer run more smoothly, if you care about privacy or if you don't want to have to pay for your operating system, and if any of those are your main reason go for it and it will probably work out smoothly. If you're interested in linux because it seems "cool" or "fun" you're probably gonna have to do some tinkering so in that case you should be prepared to edit some files, read some instructions and possibly ask for help online.

It's as stable as you want it to be. I break my system a lot more than expected because I'm deleted directories and files I'm not supposed to. Experimenting with a bunch of stuff. My laptop is using the same distro (Arch) and I don't do weird stuff with it so it runs perfectly fine.

Linux users would post their problems on various forums, but very rarely post their success story. Linux desktop is actually pretty good at this point. Just pick a distro and try it yourself.

Unless you have very niche needs or choose to tinker, everything just works.

The thing is that people use Linux and than find it so good that they try to find problems in order to spend time playing with it. It's like a hobby, or a game... But you can also use it without making it a hobby. Ubuntu was born for this, but for that I would honestly suggest something like Manjaro

Until one of the RAM sticks went bad, my parents, who are in their 60s ran Ubuntu Linux for years without an issue. I set it up in 2016, as a dual boot with Windows. They almost never booted into Windows, and told me they preferred Linux.

I'd suggest that Linux tends to attract a higher percentage of people that want to tinker with their OS, and tinkering with your OS can lead to some unexpected outcomes, or outright break things that someone would have to turn to the community for help.

It depends a lot on what you want to do with it though too. Browsing the web, checking email, spreadsheets / word processing, etc? You could likely install literally any Linux os and be fine, and definitely be fine with the mainstream core distros.

If you're gaming, I'd recommend a distro aimed at gaming. PopOS, nobara, bazzite, or Garuda all come to mind, depending on your preferred flavor.

But, as much as it pains me to say it, if you need to run, for example, Adobe or Autodesk products (or something similarly specialized and proprietary) you'll probably have a better time doing it in windows. There are alternative options that will work in Linux fine, but if it's for work or some other situation that requires you to use those specific proprietary products, you might be stuck.

Hehe, you got your answer. You're lokking at the places where 0.05% of the users are discussing their problems and some others share their crazy customizations that aren't possible with anything else. And it seems like 95% of users having issues to you.

I'd argue Linux is way more stable than Windows. If that's your perspective. (Unless you do silly stuff.) But less stable than for example MacOS. It depends on which Linux Distro we're talking about. I'd say it's MacOS > Linux > Windows. With the biggest step down from Linux to Windows.

There are a lot of help posts on the MS and other windows forums too. Computers and OSes will always have issues because of complexity and incompatibilities between hardware and software. No matter if you install Windows, Linux, or MacOS. The machines that are least buggy because each manufacturer is doing extensive tests, are the mobile OSes, iOS and (most) Android. It's not as possible to do the same on a desktop OS. So cut your losses, and install Linux Mint, which is I believe it's the best for newbies.

There's a common joke that it's not linux, it's gnu linux and this is followed by a long copy pasta about how linux is only the kernel which is the code that handles managing how your machine is used

In this case this is important, linux can be a stable os (notible examples include android os, linux mint, debian stable, as well as the server distributions) these generally update slower in order to make sure bugs get squashed. On the other hand there are linux operating systems that are difficult to use for a beginner such as arch, void, and gentoo. There are also distrobutions that have a bad habit of breaking manjaro, gentoo, come to mind. If you want a linux experience that is set it up once and have no more problems than anyone might expect to have on windows you can do that (sometimes you'll run into a situation where you have a device that doesn't play well with linux like an algato streamdeck or a device that doesn't have a driver yet like my sister's laptop webcam (thanks acer much appreciated) but in general you can have a stable easy experience as long as you aren't trying to do anything crazy

Here's my recommendation, make a linux mint thumbdrive boot off it, play around with it, and test varius hardware you have (ie bluetooth, webcam, that one usb dingle doop that no one else has but you use every day). Maybe don't install it (or do chances are it'll be just fine) but boot off it often, and once you've learnt the os pretty well, back up everything you care about and install linux mint

As an, aside i love your username, very clever

Not using Windows except for work, I use Linux mostly because of Microsoft's design decisions. I guess depending on your use case, Windows can be a perfectly fine OS. Personally, I think their behavior is unprofessional (trying to force Microsoft accounts on users, ads in the start menu, integration of AI into the system which means transmitting data to their servers etc) so I'm willing to accept tradeoffs for systems which do not come with these downsides.

In the end, OSs are inherently complex.

Linux has different flavors, some with bleeding edge updates like Arch, some rock-stable and built on FOSS like Debian, some that force you to compile nearly everything on your end to save fractions of seconds in compute time like Gentoo, and some meant to be as beginner friendly as possible like Cinammon/Mint.

Linux "fans" are likely to use something like Arch and break something, then fix it. People who use Linux will use Fedora or something and call it a day. You don't have to go down the rabbit hole and play with all of the shiny new tools as they release.

80% of my linux issues happened because of me

Look, programs always have issues, always have bugs. The best model on linux dostro is "rolling release", which is explicit about constantly fixing the issues.

My current issue is i see you guys constantly having issues, editing files etc.

These guy cannot self-develop

They never learn thing themselves. Never read books. Never read manual pages.

Just ignore them.

Is it not stable?

Commits to softwares around Linux (userland, system maintenance tools, etc) usually just works (even if alpha). There are few bugs.

Alpine Linux edge+testing is much stable (my only issue come from testing mesa packages, just don't upgrade this package to any version without -r0 or -r1 or like that :) )

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

Yes.

A system that never have to su root (except for shutdown, reboot).

Depends on the distro, some are rolllig. /s

And some are intended to fiddle with (Arch and Gentoo for example). Others are made to explore new ways to do things (like immutable root, state managing package manager, each app in their folder Mac-style, such things). Of course there's a lot of stable general-use distros too. But you may ask someone else for examples.

From my experience having used Linux for years: Here is the full list of problems I encountered that I'd say are not the result of me tinkering:

• Nvidia driver is fucked up
• A hard drive also used by Windows won't mount
• The software app can't update my system
• 2nd monitor won't work correctly (pretty much solved nowadays)

Those are fairly common issues afaik, and they are caused by using a slightly more complex setup (dual-booting Windows, extra repos in the package manager) and notoriously troublesome Nvidia hardware. For all but the last there is a one-line command you can run to fix it, and it took maybe 2 min to find it on my phone.

Apart from these issues it's been rock solid, so I'd say you're good as long as you avoid those known causes for problems (No Nvidia, no Windows, no extra repos), or you are able to find solutions to the most common problems and run simple commands on the terminal.

Im a big zorin fan. Its an out of the box distro that focuses on windows compatiblity. that means it comes with tons of preinstalled apps so that you can do things right away like edit docs or watch videos but it also comes with well configured play on linux so that there is a good chance you can run any needed windows programs that you need to. Maybe people graduate out to more unixy stuff but its funny. Im a tech guy but in my personal life I just want to install and go. https://zorin.com/os/