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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
 

Totally selected the wrong meme for the old title, but here we are.

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I actually really like this. I suffer heavily from Imposter Syndrom, and one of the biggest realizations I had was that my new project manager manages to keep his job despite being absolutely horrible at it.

The one previous to him was worse.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately it's a "liars market" in that liars get "whatever" jobs they want, to hell with credentials.

Unfortunately I'm pretty much incapable of bullshitting, I'm honest to a gigantic fault. So many job listings with insane requirements and then people say "just apply anyway." ....no? They're asking for a thing and I don't have it. I'm not the kind of person to Google "how to do my job" after I've been hired.

I seriously need to get out of my job, but seeing all these "dog shit cleaners. Masters degree required. Pay: $2/hr" is insanely depressing...

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago

You apply anyway because half the time the things jobs "require" is the same marketing fluff they add everywhere. Similarly to you I have a hard time bullshitting because I try to be honest about what I know and what I don't, and for the first few years of my career I was incapable of bullshitting. Then my credentials were required for a project and I had to sit down with a sales person to "fix up" my resume. It went something like this:

"Was Power BI used in this project?"

"Well, yes, but I didn't really use it. I opened it maybe once."

"I'll mark it down as experience with Power BI"

Really opened my eyes to how things get done. Some of what gets added as "requirements" tend to never come up. During an interview it's always worthwhile to prod a bit at the requirements to see what is and isn't bullshit, because I guarantee there is always some bullshit that you will never need.

Similarly don't be afraid to bullshit a bit on your resume because you can't know everything about everything. Bit of technical jargon but I'll get to the point, I swear. My first job switch was for a position that required experience with microservices. This was in the early days when people were still figuring out what these mystical microservices are. I was then working on a project that was using a microservice architecture, but I never felt like the project was getting any real benefits from that decision and the applications didn't feel "micro". Nevertheless I put it down as experience and I rationalized it as it's experience either way. If it's done right and I see it done the same way in a different project then it does mean I have the experience. If it's not done right then I'll have the experience of how it could be done wrong which means I still have some experience. Kinda BS but it landed me the position. I then learned that my experience was both right and wrong, so I quickly learned from the mistakes of the previous project, learned how to do it right and applied them in the new project. In the end I was highly regarded in the project despite at first feeling like I bullshitted myself in. As long as you're willing to put in the effort to overcome your shortcomings you're allowed to bullshit a little, because nobody cares as long as things get done without huge issues. Just don't sell yourself on things you know you can't overcome.

[–] Killer_Tree 7 points 8 months ago

Just be honest with yourself if you think you could do the job. If so, apply. If you get an interview, then Google how to do the job and watch some videos about that position, the software that is used, lingo, etc. 90% of the people interviewing you will have virtually no idea what the job is, they are just asking questions to see if seems like you think you know what you are doing. If you get the job, even if you DO know how to do it, still Google how to do it and keep learning and mastering it. The only people who perfectly know how to do a job are usually those who are ready to move to a new position or ready to retire.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

Apply. Just be honest on your resume and honest in the interview. Source: I sometimes hire, but do not write the job postings.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 7 points 8 months ago

Imposter Syndrome is just the flipside of Dunning-Kruger. You must not let it paralyse you but you should know that it is a good thing. You can't get better unless you believe there is room to get better. And there always is room to get better, so you've been on the right track from the getgo.

[–] shani66@ani.social 3 points 8 months ago

Seems to be a requirement for managerial positions that you are completely worthless as a person. The majority of management I've seen in my time did nothing but actively take away value from the company, the employee's lives, and the customer's experience.

[–] businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

been battling impostor syndrome for my whole career, and today i learned that one of the new (not new to the field) people on my team doesn't know how to use excel, the thing i spend like 50% of my working hours using.

worrying for my team and maybe the industry, but very comforting personally lol

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ask how much they get paid, then go to your boss asking for a raise because you can actually use excel, and this other person can't. You deserve more than they do, and id your boss won't give you the raise, you can go down to your coworkers level and stop using excel.

It never takes them long to see your value when you stop giving it to them.

[–] businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

unfortunately, this person actually works for a different company so i don't see this being effective - it's a joint project contract type deal. i could see this advice being more reasonable in a traditional single-employer working environment though

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 8 months ago

This helped me be confident I could learn to drive as a grownup: there are people out there who vote for deplorable and appalling candidates and have no self-awareness about it. Yet everyone pretty much appears to be able to drive alright.*

* does not apply in Boston namaste

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

This is just describing the last owner of our house.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Saying things confidently incorrect is like my whole identity.

[–] button_masher@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

You said that fairly confidently.. do I believe you or not?

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

What if I'm indeed mediocre at the thing and this only encourages to believe in my self inflated ego and carry on like normal?

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago

I know my worth!

...it's less. As in: worthless. Lol

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Man I really used to rinse people when I was young.